Music Discussion Thread

[Chewbacca]

A few great Hip Hop Albums according to me and off the top of my head If you can't tell I'm into old school)


Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest

It Takes A NAtion Of Millions To Hold Us Back by Public Enemy

Three Feet High And Rising by De La Soul

Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions

Check Your Head by The Beastie Boys


Cypress Hill by Cypress Hill

Power by Ice T

[Sigmar]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: A few great Hip Hop Albums according to me and off the top of my head If you can't tell I'm into old school) Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest It Takes A NAtion Of Millions To Hold Us Back by Public Enemy Three Feet High And Rising by De La Soul Criminal Minded by Boogie Down Productions Check Your Head by The Beastie Boys Cypress Hill by Cypress Hill Power by Ice T

Great selection Chewbacca, I've only got Check Your Head, It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back and Cypress Hill though. Although I've heard the other albums, I've never heard anything by Ice T though.

My favourite old school rap albums are "Radio" by Ll cool J and "Paid In Full" with Eric B and Rakim.

[Chewbacca]

One of my favorite rap lyrics by Busta Rhymes from the song Scenario on A Tribe Called Quest's second album Low End Theory:

Link to full song lyrics

Verse Five: Busta Rhymes

Watch, as I combine all the juice from the mind Heel up, reel up, bring me back, come rewind Powerful impact BOOM! from the cannon Not braggin, try to read my mind just imagine Vo-cab-u-lary's necessary When diggin into my library Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh! Eating ayea toadstool like the one Peter Tosh-a Uh, uh uhh, alone with the track man Uh, pardon me, uhh, as I come back As I did it yo I heard you beg your pardon When I travel to the Sun I roll with the squadron RRRRRROAW RRRRRRROAW like a dungeon dragon Change your little drawers cause your pants are saggin Try to step to this, I will, fits you in a turban And had you smellin right, like some old stale urine Checkady-choco, the chocolate chicken The rear cock diesel, for chicks they were kickin Yo, bustin out before the Busta bust a nut the rhyme the rhythm is in sync (UHH!) the rhymes are on time (TIME!) Rippin up the sound just like Horatio Observe the vibe and check out the scenario!! *chorus starts* Yeah, my man m*****f*****!

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Sigmar: Great selection Chewbacca, I've only got Check Your Head, It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back and Cypress Hill though. Although I've heard the other albums, I've never heard anything by Ice T though. My favourite old school rap albums are "Radio" by Ll cool J and "Paid In Full" with Eric B and Rakim.

Two great Albums! [img]smile.gif[/img] Oh man I haven't heard either of those in forever.

Here is link with a bio and discography of Ice T:

http://www.artistopia.com/Music-Arti...271&Name=Ice-T

[ 05-02-2005, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

[Xen]

Originally posted by Sigmar: quote: Originally posted by Xen: Nothing. I just don't like that he says that he still lives "in da hood" and how many times has he been shot and all. It just isn't too logicall to rap about ghetto and these things when you clearly don't live there anymore. Now he has his H2, 28' rims etc...

Uhuh, that's true.

It's one of the main reasons he keeps trying to instigate conflict with other rappers, so that he'll actually have someting to rap about!

BTW, Vaskez, I picked up that Gang Sstar album you meantioned,it is pretty good [/QUOTE]Hehe. I also like Krs-One and Jedi Mind Tricks. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[JrKASperov]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by JrKASperov: A music discussion thread, and all they talk about is light music instead of artistic music. Why don't you people go listen to something in which you'll really be discovering music in all of it's facets. Rap and all that is so shallow compared to a LOT. Same goes for pop, soft rock, hard rock, RnB, punk, punkrock etc.

The DUO I mentioned, Gang Starr, revolutionized melding Jazz with Hip-Hop. They innovated a whole East Coast scene back in the early 90s, Shallow it is not.
My love for jazz now can be traced back to hip hop of that era. I could list dozens of hip hop artists who are just that- artists-poets-musicians-commentators.

Dont get me wrong, I see your point because there is a bunch of fake shallow crap out there, just not all of it. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Melding two genres isn't necessarily unshallow, but since I have no knowledge of the band you are talking about, I will leave that in the middle. But on your second point there is some error. Makers of these light kind of music are nothing compared to people like Bach who made their music intruiging on nearly every level. The same goes for people like Robert Fripp and his formations of King Crimson, always forging a totally unique type of music, not really definable by any genre. Besides this, the two examples I give have music that is intruiging, complex and 'worked out' in composition per se(melody and rythym), individual parts, interplay between different parts, improvisation, virtuosity, athmosphere and meaning. There is more where this came from in both the progressive rock scene as the free jazz scene. To answer the other two posters who responded to me. I assure you two, I do not see rap and rock as simple as the songs you see on top 40, I am quite experienced with bands in my former local area, what they do, and how they do it. Also i do not see rap as shallow as the gansta rap you are referring to. My point is that all of this is light music, and as such less 'worked out'. There is simply less to hear, less to discover, and consequently less beauty. The music most often follows cliches to the end where every song looks like others in form of structure and all that. I'm pointing to the music where this has changed, those genres discussed about above.

[Rataxes]

I think it's time for a non-rap related statement here:

Oasis new album is several levels above anything they've released in 10 years and a very strong contender for album of the year. I know, because after three weeks of rumors and unbearable waiting since the first single aired on radio, the whole thing finally leaked!

[ 05-03-2005, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Rataxes ]

[Beaumanoir]

No-one in here is actually talking about music worth listening to [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I'm currently downloading 'Mars, The Bringer Of War' by Gustav Holst. But Have also been listening to the Les Miserables + Rocky Horror Show soundtracks alot. And still, The Postal Service. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by JrKASperov: *snip*

Cliff notes version: you're a 19 year old progrock snob, who will hopefully get some sense in him when he gets older with respect to other people's tastes. You're making the wrong assumption that listening to "difficult" music automatically gives you a carte blanche to trash any other genres, while it only turns you into more of an embittered loner who can't relate to 99.9% of the people musically.

Just believe me JrKASperov, that knowledge of instruments, craftmanship and an urge to experiment in progrock, freejazz, modern classical music, minimalism, abstract IDM, whatever, may help to develop music in new and exciting ways and that they're often impressive feats - in that they turn non-conventional ways of composing into actual music that can be enjoyed on some level and is intruiging at the same time - but that does not automatically result in music that's "better" by fact than mere popsongs; just in compositions that are crafted in more complex ways. If I have to choose between the complex yet snoozefest-inducing guitar wankery of Yngwie Malmsteen and, say, an Outkast song, I'll probably go with the latter. Does that say something about my taste? You tell me - my interests range from King Crimson/Albert Ayler/Louis Andriessen/Coil on the one end to (deceivingly?) simple stuff like, well, see for yourself. Plenty of those latter bands are probably way too simplistic for Your Royal Refinedness, but I really do think there's some real talent involved in the creation of a "lesser" piece of a music that yet manages to capture millions of people and still doesn't grow stale over the years.

Taste is in the eye of the beholder, and so is talent, apparently. If a simple singer/songwriter with just a guitar can evoke a more emotionally involved response to more people (and to me) than a self-indulgent progrock band backed by an entire orchestra and their toothless grandmother on kitchen sink percussion in a 9/8 tone pattern, then I'll very likely prefer the former when it comes to judgments of taste and talent - but you'll probably see that differently. I'm fine with you using specifications like "light" and "shallow", just not that these should apply to entire genres, nor should you see these labels as ways to distinguish "good" from "bad", or at least not in the way that you seem to imply - judge the artist or the song, not the genre. Dare to admit that making an effort to avoid "shallow" music doesn't mean the piece of music will be any good per se (god, you don't even want to know how much of the so often praised "complex" music is mind-numbingly dull, especially in the progrock genre), or that a song from a "light" genre shouldn't be dismissed by default by Self-Respecting Music Followers, but should be judged on its own merit.

And you want complex rap music? Try music from the Anticon collective, with affiliations like cLOUDDEAD, Why? and Them. Complex hiphop beats-oriented music? Try Prefuse73, DJ Shadow, Amon Tobin, Madlib. You want quirky, experimental folk music? Try the Animal Collective and its spin-offs. You probably already lost interest when you saw the word "rap", but I'm sure you're seeing the point that I'm trying to make.

I'm probably closer to liking the genres you prefer than most Ironworkers, but I do think your sense of elitism expressed in this thread and others before that (not to forget the not so sophisticated manner in which you sometimes express yourself) is somewhat misplaced, and the sweeping generalizations you make with regards to (theoretically) rather vague genre definitions aren't really providing a strong framework for your argument.

[ 05-03-2005, 08:14 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

[Rataxes]

Stunning post Grojlach, stunning.