New Item Idea - Page 3

Thorfinn · 04-22-2003, 07:58 PM

Are you sure you want it to bypass resistances and saves? That is mega-powerful, particularly if you used it to gain control of key undead like the alhoon in the temple district sewers...

Oh, BTW, the butterknife looks interesting (there are a couple out there, though) but you don't need the phantom blade to balance it. One mordies sword is a great plenty.

[ 04-22-2003, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: Thorfinn ]

Assassin · 04-22-2003, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Thorfinn:
Are you sure you want it to bypass resistances and saves? That is mega-powerful, particularly if you used it to gain control of key undead like the alhoon in the temple district sewers...

Oh, BTW, the butterknife looks interesting (there are a couple out there, though) but you don't need the phantom blade to balance it. One mordies sword is a great plenty.

Erm... Turn Undead doesn't allow any Save or Magic Resistance...

Annatar · 04-23-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by Assassin:

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Originally posted by Thorfinn:
Are you sure you want it to bypass resistances and saves? That is mega-powerful, particularly if you used it to gain control of key undead like the alhoon in the temple district sewers...

Oh, BTW, the butterknife looks interesting (there are a couple out there, though) but you don't need the phantom blade to balance it. One mordies sword is a great plenty.

Erm... Turn Undead doesn't allow any Save or Magic Resistance... [/QUOTE]It is indeed... level based (nullifying the Saves or MR)

Raistlin Majere · 04-23-2003, 08:02 AM

right, thats a pretty good point, even though the alhoon isnt an undead creature, its just a type of illithid. the only problem now is that using it will result the user casting the control undead spell through the stone repeatedly! i just want to figure out what thats all about before releasing it.

[ 04-23-2003, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Raistlin Majere ]

Raistlin Majere · 04-23-2003, 08:22 AM

S****! This thing is getting really frustrating! Either he "casts" it on one target without really doing anything, or then he casts it on every undead creature ONE AT A TIME! anyone have any clue whats going on?

Annatar · 04-23-2003, 10:00 AM

Raistlin Majere, send it to mrsayang at hotmail dot com.. So I can have a look at it, and see if I can fix it for you (though I still find it rather strange that you took it on you to create it.. because Vedran already stated he would like to create it, but no harm done)

Thorfinn · 04-23-2003, 11:29 AM

Have you tried casting the spell itself a few times to see how it works? I don't recall it being all that great, certainly not enough to bypass a mordies for, but that was probably because the undead were saving or resisting.

And, yah, I know turning is level-based, but it seems to me that if you bypass save and MR, you retain the best features of both turning and spell casting, making it a cast-and-attackable version of turning.

Annatar, I guess I am not too familiar with the conventions here. Are you saying that once someone puts dibs on it, everyone else backs off? Wouldn't it be better to have several variations of the item, so that you can choose the most appropriate one? For instance, bypassing MR/Save might be necessary for ToB, but makes for some odd cheese in SoA, like controlling the lich in the Temple Ruins, and making him stand in the lava until he is near death...

Raistlin Majere · 04-23-2003, 12:43 PM

Oh, look at that! i didnt really read the other posts that well(and i started making the item right after the post came out, i just didnt post anything), so i didnt noticed Vedrans posts. Im guessing his item will be better(if hes still making it), since i havent created many items before. just testing really, and cant seem to make it work the way i want, so ill be sending it to you so you can take a look at it, Annatar.

Sorry if i appeared to be rude, or something like that. it was totally unintentional [img]smile.gif[/img] .

Edit: Ive sent it now, Annatar. see if you can make it work properly, and let me know what you did to it, so i can prevent it in the future.

[ 04-23-2003, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Raistlin Majere ]

Annatar · 04-23-2003, 02:49 PM

Raistlin Majere, I have been tinkering with it.. without succses (you want it to turn undead wasn't it? because the *.spl file was corrupted, we need the file a priest/paladin uses to turn undead.. this was something strange [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

I will continue tomorrow because Ive a serie to watch and school work to do.. I'll keep you posted.

Raistlin Majere · 04-24-2003, 08:24 AM

right. i couldnt find the turn undead ability so i used control undead, since it really does the same as a high level evil cleric turn undead(sheesh) ability. if you can change it to turn undead and still have it as an evil cleric type(that was how it was ordered, right), then be my guest. also, i couldnt name the abilites in the sub icon of the item(does that make any sense? what i mean anyway is the abilitie names like in the wand of fire). hope you can make it work [img]smile.gif[/img] .

04-23-2003, 08:02 AM	#24
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 37 Posts: 2,323	right, thats a pretty good point, even though the alhoon isnt an undead creature, its just a type of illithid. the only problem now is that using it will result the user casting the control undead spell through the stone repeatedly! i just want to figure out what thats all about before releasing it. [ 04-23-2003, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Raistlin Majere ] __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

04-23-2003, 08:22 AM	#25
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 37 Posts: 2,323	S****! This thing is getting really frustrating! Either he "casts" it on one target without really doing anything, or then he casts it on every undead creature ONE AT A TIME! anyone have any clue whats going on? __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

04-23-2003, 10:00 AM	#26
Annatar Mephistopheles Join Date: January 7, 2003 Location: Holland Age: 38 Posts: 1,402	Raistlin Majere, send it to mrsayang at hotmail dot com.. So I can have a look at it, and see if I can fix it for you (though I still find it rather strange that you took it on you to create it.. because Vedran already stated he would like to create it, but no harm done) __________________ <br />Nau Tagnik\'zur zhal fre\'sla wun ussta i\'dol. -Annatar

04-23-2003, 12:43 PM	#28
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 37 Posts: 2,323	Oh, look at that! i didnt really read the other posts that well(and i started making the item right after the post came out, i just didnt post anything), so i didnt noticed Vedrans posts. Im guessing his item will be better(if hes still making it), since i havent created many items before. just testing really, and cant seem to make it work the way i want, so ill be sending it to you so you can take a look at it, Annatar. Sorry if i appeared to be rude, or something like that. it was totally unintentional [img]smile.gif[/img] . Edit: Ive sent it now, Annatar. see if you can make it work properly, and let me know what you did to it, so i can prevent it in the future. [ 04-23-2003, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Raistlin Majere ] __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

04-23-2003, 02:49 PM	#29
Annatar Mephistopheles Join Date: January 7, 2003 Location: Holland Age: 38 Posts: 1,402	Raistlin Majere, I have been tinkering with it.. without succses (you want it to turn undead wasn't it? because the *.spl file was corrupted, we need the file a priest/paladin uses to turn undead.. this was something strange [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] I will continue tomorrow because Ive a serie to watch and school work to do.. I'll keep you posted. __________________ <br />Nau Tagnik\'zur zhal fre\'sla wun ussta i\'dol. -Annatar

04-22-2003, 07:58 PM	#21
Thorfinn Zhentarim Guard Join Date: February 24, 2003 Location: Indiana Age: 62 Posts: 358	Are you sure you want it to bypass resistances and saves? That is mega-powerful, particularly if you used it to gain control of key undead like the alhoon in the temple district sewers... Oh, BTW, the butterknife looks interesting (there are a couple out there, though) but you don't need the phantom blade to balance it. One mordies sword is a great plenty. [ 04-22-2003, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: Thorfinn ]

04-23-2003, 11:29 AM	#27
Thorfinn Zhentarim Guard Join Date: February 24, 2003 Location: Indiana Age: 62 Posts: 358	Have you tried casting the spell itself a few times to see how it works? I don't recall it being all that great, certainly not enough to bypass a mordies for, but that was probably because the undead were saving or resisting. And, yah, I know turning is level-based, but it seems to me that if you bypass save and MR, you retain the best features of both turning and spell casting, making it a cast-and-attackable version of turning. Annatar, I guess I am not too familiar with the conventions here. Are you saying that once someone puts dibs on it, everyone else backs off? Wouldn't it be better to have several variations of the item, so that you can choose the most appropriate one? For instance, bypassing MR/Save might be necessary for ToB, but makes for some odd cheese in SoA, like controlling the lich in the Temple Ruins, and making him stand in the lava until he is near death...

04-24-2003, 08:24 AM	#30
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 37 Posts: 2,323	right. i couldnt find the turn undead ability so i used control undead, since it really does the same as a high level evil cleric turn undead(sheesh) ability. if you can change it to turn undead and still have it as an evil cleric type(that was how it was ordered, right), then be my guest. also, i couldnt name the abilites in the sub icon of the item(does that make any sense? what i mean anyway is the abilitie names like in the wand of fire). hope you can make it work [img]smile.gif[/img] . __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

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