One day this guy is going to push me way too far!

You've missed the idea, Neb - I'm not going to spend the whole afternoon explaining it.

[Neb]

Originally posted by Arledrian: You've missed the idea, Neb - I'm not going to spend the whole afternoon explaining it.

You know my hotmail address. Message me, explain it to me in chat, please. And in case you've forgotten it, it's: Nebling@hotmail.com

[Calaethis Dragonsbane]

I think ALL of you are overlooking one VERY important thing; its someguys dession, he has the final call, all you can do is ADVISE him. Not order him around, or preach to him.

Originally posted by Arledrian: You've missed the idea, Neb - I'm not going to spend the whole afternoon explaining it.

No I don't think so.
It’s just that fighting people is bad,
I had a problem with a bully once, and I just tried to ignore them and sook solace with my friends, and eventually they left me alone,
And yet lo and behold a few years later, that particular bully ended up going to a juvenile detention centre for stealing,
And from the last I heard of him:
His life is well and truly F*cked up beyond all hope of repair.
and My life is not.

[ 06-23-2002, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: Dramnek_Ulk ]

I think some clarification is needed here [img]smile.gif[/img]

Alex mentioned that those guys stopped picking on him after he dealt with them. That worked for me too. However, he is NOT saying that SHOULD be the solution

You could easily pick the WRONG fights. If you do something like that, you might find they have big brothers with knives or something

The best thing you can do is hang around with good friends who at least care for your plight (just don't be too whiney ). That, in itself, will alleviate the issue somewhat

[johnny]

Originally posted by Neb: quote: Originally posted by The Hunter of Jahanna: but it took you 9 years, Neb !! Do you realy want SomeGuy to get picked on for 9 years?? After i kncked the 2nd kid down a flight of steps the kids who picked on me got nevouse and left me alone. It only took about 2 weeks.

Those who live by the sword, die by the sword. Live by violence and you will DIE by violence. You reap what you sow. Why cannot people realize this? Sheesh, is it really that difficult? Or are people just too damn blind and stupid half of the time?

Hunter, you may kick the shit out of all of your problems. But then anyone who's problem you become will kick the shit out of you to get rid of you as well. Whereas if you ignored them they might ignore you. If you talked your way through things they might try to talk with you.

Violence breeds violence. War breeds war. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. It's 4 am, I'm in a bad mood. And I currently feel that the Earth should be nuked, cleansed of all humans and be left to begin over again.[/QUOTE]You try and talk your way out of it when you're surrounded by 4 or 5 guys who all want a piece of you, you actually think that's gonna work ? Thanks, but no thanks, i'll use a knife instead, that way i have a better chance of making it out of there in one piece !

[Neb]

Originally posted by johnny: You try and talk your way out of it when you're surrounded by 4 or 5 guys who all want a piece of you, you actually think that's gonna work ? Thanks, but no thanks, i'll use a knife instead, that way i have a better chance of making it out of there in one piece !

Try listening to what I say [img]tongue.gif[/img]

When you're threatened with physical violence, retaliate with physical violence. Otherwise, refrain from physical violence. Violence should be used in self-defense only.

[Harkoliar]

well, all i can say is any of your ideas can be both right and wrong... given the situation.

here is a nice story (i kinda posted in another thread) that would be nice to this discussion:
here is is:
http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...;f=10;t=009352

im putting on light to a different perspective... i recall two of my classmates fighting the first year of highschool (since they didnt know each other then) and both of them got thier ass kicked by the diciplinarian... by the end of the 2nd year, they had recoiciled and even became friends... violence can also breed respect and mutual bond and not necesarily violence. in another point of view, not bothering to a as*hole bully can also make him stop bullying you. that is how i handled things, dont bother with meaningless and trivial stuff. yet somehow, you can somehow help the bully no matter how much an as*hole he/she can be. by walking away, you give him the chance to bully others and ruin his life (just how revenge should be) or help him (violence or not) to not bully anymore and make his life more meaningful. eventually MOST if not SOME bullies mature in the future if they are only in thier teens. thats just my two cents [img]smile.gif[/img]

[slackerboy]

Well, i dont get involved in to many of the "serious issues" threads but i have to join in here. As with a lot of you here i have been in the same situation, i was the little non-agressive guy in school and was picked on quite ruthlessly as a result.
But i have to disagree with pretty much everything i have heard from neb on this thread. Neb, you strike me as a very paranoid , worst case scenario kind of person. Never fighting back, and never standing up for yourself will lead to a very miserable life. Learning to fight back teaches you many valuable leasons about yourself. By all means dont start a fight, or be a trouble maker, that wont help you in any way. But when poorly adjusted people with bad attitudes know that you will fight back, you wont be a target anymore. And i can tell you from experiance that you dont have to win them all. I've won some and i've lost some. but that really becomes irrellivent. Once they know that you will fight back and you wont be the spineless target they want, they will find easier prey.

[Epona]

I honestly think that people who are picked on radiate a kind of 'low self-confidence' aura which attracts the coward bullies towards them like flies.

The reason taking up self defense or martial arts can work is not because you become able to defend yourself - it's because you become more confident in yourself and respect yourself. I really think that's the key, I'm convinced that when I was a kid it was my shyness and lack of self-esteem (difficult to believe now, I know) that made me a target.