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Warhammer · 01-14-2002, 07:40 AM

Am I the only one who hates the technological stuff in Wiz 8 ?

Don't get me wrong I love the game, have just finished it and am restarting with a new party. But I will have loved it even more if there were no spaceship, no computers, no rocket launchers and so on.

The only games IMHO who did a good job in integrating Technology and Magic are Arcanum and Vampire.

I really hated the god damned blasters in MM6, 7 and 8: You spent 95% of your levels developping, bow, sword, shield skills, creating and finding super armors and weapon, and by the end of the game, you could throw all that out the window and focus on blasters and the skill to use them.

I am glad Wiz 8 did not go that far, but still...

[ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: Warhammer ]

u_u · 01-14-2002, 07:48 AM

The only thing I like is the gadgeteer related things, not much else.

Lady Avalon · 01-14-2002, 07:58 AM

I agree with you. I didn't particularly like the modern weapons, technology, etc. I did use the muskets for a short while and then just relied on my medieval weaponry.

Chaosopher · 01-14-2002, 08:00 AM

In 7, you are still rewarded for focusing on medievial even after the new tech comes out. You are working sword sword sword then comes muskets muskets and then blaster and then *LIGHT SABER* (sword!). [img]smile.gif[/img]

jellylad · 01-14-2002, 08:06 AM

Yeah, I'm another that doesn't go a ton on all the tech bits and bobs. Being the arch traditionalist I am I only like the fantasy stuff. I even steer away from the gadgeteer and any tech related equipment for my party. Could cause me grief somewhere down the line, but as my party gets shredded by robots wielding lasers as I wave my clubs at them, I'll be able to sit back happy in my old fashionedness. Not that it'll do me any good.

jellylad · 01-14-2002, 08:07 AM

PS Oops forgot to add - still think it's a fantastic game though.

Megabot · 01-14-2002, 09:05 AM

I think it is WERY cool with the spaceship and so on in the game it give it a special feeling to play it, a mix of old magic and new tecknology!
Remeber Dark Savant, Your party, Mook, Umpany and T`rang are coming to Dominus with space ships so it is naturaly that it is a little "high tech" in the game! Btw i dont use bluderbuss or rockhed luncher in the game i only use magic and swords!

Also in M&M series there to was "Corak" or what his name was he also come to the world with space ship!

Jodmos · 01-14-2002, 10:00 AM

Most fantasy ideas come from our ancient history and sagas, the most hebrew and nordic, and most of them involve things like UFOs, Aliens and so on.
Some books in the bible are only about the relationship between us and the people from the stars, book of Henoch for example.
The guys our ancestors called gods where nothing more the spacetravlers raising a new colony here.
Why would a real god need a vehicle that when launches hurls fire to the ground ? (again, see book Henoch or even Job)
Sounds like a spacecraft to me.

I find it cool some gamedesigners actually involved this.

In each RPG you have to oppose the hordes of Hell, Demons and other religious stuff. The ultimate good versus the ultimate evil thingie.
Wizardry is a nice exeption to this.

[ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: Jodmos ]

Nydlari · 01-14-2002, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Warhammer:
I really hated the god damned blasters in MM6, 7 and 8: You spent 95% of your levels developping, bow, sword, shield skills, creating and finding super armors and weapon, and by the end of the game, you could throw all that out the window and focus on blasters and the skill to use them.
I am glad Wiz 8 did not go that far, but still...
[ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: Warhammer ]

The way tech was implemented in M&M 6-8 was bad, but frankly M&M 6-8 were just bad games. If you go back to the earlier M&Ms it was implemeted much better, with hints of technology in the background story, but your characters never got a hold of things like blasters.

I think Wiz did a similarly good job with tech. The first time it appears is at the end of 6 when you meet Bela and learn of the cosmic lords and get offered a ride in his spaceship. Then you get a little more in 7 as you learn of the ancient civilization and get a chance to choose between one of the four "artifacts.", and of course my favorite, when you see the flying "Whale." Then by 8, your more familiar with tech and accustomed to their use. If you've played all three of the trilogy, I don't think you'd find the use of tech out of place in Wiz. They really did a good job implementing it.

01-14-2002, 07:40 AM	#1
Warhammer Baaz Draconian Join Date: December 4, 2001 Location: Denmark Age: 52 Posts: 731	Am I the only one who hates the technological stuff in Wiz 8 ? Don't get me wrong I love the game, have just finished it and am restarting with a new party. But I will have loved it even more if there were no spaceship, no computers, no rocket launchers and so on. The only games IMHO who did a good job in integrating Technology and Magic are Arcanum and Vampire. I really hated the god damned blasters in MM6, 7 and 8: You spent 95% of your levels developping, bow, sword, shield skills, creating and finding super armors and weapon, and by the end of the game, you could throw all that out the window and focus on blasters and the skill to use them. I am glad Wiz 8 did not go that far, but still... [ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: Warhammer ] __________________ It was a new day yesterday<br />but it\'s an old day now.<br /><i>Jethro Tull</i><br />

01-14-2002, 07:48 AM	#2
u_u Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: calif usa Age: 45 Posts: 30	The only thing I like is the gadgeteer related things, not much else. __________________ Chit chit, ya pays da pies!

01-14-2002, 07:58 AM	#3
Lady Avalon Emerald Dragon Join Date: March 2, 2001 Location: Tennessee, U.S.A. Age: 76 Posts: 996	I agree with you. I didn't particularly like the modern weapons, technology, etc. I did use the muskets for a short while and then just relied on my medieval weaponry. __________________

01-14-2002, 10:00 AM	#8
Jodmos Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 12, 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 15	Most fantasy ideas come from our ancient history and sagas, the most hebrew and nordic, and most of them involve things like UFOs, Aliens and so on. Some books in the bible are only about the relationship between us and the people from the stars, book of Henoch for example. The guys our ancestors called gods where nothing more the spacetravlers raising a new colony here. Why would a real god need a vehicle that when launches hurls fire to the ground ? (again, see book Henoch or even Job) Sounds like a spacecraft to me. I find it cool some gamedesigners actually involved this. In each RPG you have to oppose the hordes of Hell, Demons and other religious stuff. The ultimate good versus the ultimate evil thingie. Wizardry is a nice exeption to this. [ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: Jodmos ] __________________ With each kill, I grow wiser, and with added wisdom, I grow stronger.

01-14-2002, 05:04 PM	#9
Nydlari Manshoon Join Date: November 23, 2001 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Age: 51 Posts: 181	quote: Originally posted by Warhammer: I really hated the god damned blasters in MM6, 7 and 8: You spent 95% of your levels developping, bow, sword, shield skills, creating and finding super armors and weapon, and by the end of the game, you could throw all that out the window and focus on blasters and the skill to use them. I am glad Wiz 8 did not go that far, but still... [ 01-14-2002: Message edited by: Warhammer ] The way tech was implemented in M&M 6-8 was bad, but frankly M&M 6-8 were just bad games. If you go back to the earlier M&Ms it was implemeted much better, with hints of technology in the background story, but your characters never got a hold of things like blasters. I think Wiz did a similarly good job with tech. The first time it appears is at the end of 6 when you meet Bela and learn of the cosmic lords and get offered a ride in his spaceship. Then you get a little more in 7 as you learn of the ancient civilization and get a chance to choose between one of the four "artifacts.", and of course my favorite, when you see the flying "Whale." Then by 8, your more familiar with tech and accustomed to their use. If you've played all three of the trilogy, I don't think you'd find the use of tech out of place in Wiz. They really did a good job implementing it.

01-14-2002, 08:00 AM	#4
Chaosopher Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: November 23, 2001 Location: USA Posts: 26	In 7, you are still rewarded for focusing on medievial even after the new tech comes out. You are working sword sword sword then comes muskets muskets and then blaster and then LIGHT SABER (sword!). [img]smile.gif[/img]

01-14-2002, 08:06 AM	#5
jellylad Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: September 21, 2001 Location: London Posts: 37	Yeah, I'm another that doesn't go a ton on all the tech bits and bobs. Being the arch traditionalist I am I only like the fantasy stuff. I even steer away from the gadgeteer and any tech related equipment for my party. Could cause me grief somewhere down the line, but as my party gets shredded by robots wielding lasers as I wave my clubs at them, I'll be able to sit back happy in my old fashionedness. Not that it'll do me any good.

01-14-2002, 08:07 AM	#6
jellylad Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: September 21, 2001 Location: London Posts: 37	PS Oops forgot to add - still think it's a fantastic game though.

01-14-2002, 09:05 AM	#7
Megabot Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: October 18, 2003 Location: Oslo, Norway. Age: 62 Posts: 3,360	I think it is WERY cool with the spaceship and so on in the game it give it a special feeling to play it, a mix of old magic and new tecknology! Remeber Dark Savant, Your party, Mook, Umpany and T`rang are coming to Dominus with space ships so it is naturaly that it is a little "high tech" in the game! Btw i dont use bluderbuss or rockhed luncher in the game i only use magic and swords! Also in M&M series there to was "Corak" or what his name was he also come to the world with space ship!

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