Kamas (and Dragons)

Greything · 06-10-2006, 05:57 PM

Does anyone understand the rules about Kamas?

Now that there there are some nice ones about I thought it would be nice to build a Monk to use them.

But how? The manual is less than clear as to how Kamas work with the unarmed strike feat.

If I want to dual-wield do I need to get the ambidexterity/two weapon feats to use Kamas to best effect. So far as I can see, I lose 4 points off my AB as soon as I try to dual wield without ambidexterity etc, which suggests I do have to get these feats.

BTW I like the flying dragons Z. Caught me completely by surprise when I met them.

Mozenwrathe · 06-10-2006, 06:03 PM

where were the flying dragons? I have not done much exploring as I have been working on my official side project for a while now.

T-D-C · 06-10-2006, 08:03 PM

WTF Flying dragons ?????????

T-D-C · 06-10-2006, 08:04 PM

I would build a dex based monk build with the ambi/two weapon fighting feats to get the best use out of the kamas.

The monk can use kamas at the same speed as his unarmed attacks.

Dace De'Briago · 06-11-2006, 06:57 AM

I understand the rules about Kama's [img]smile.gif[/img]

You will need Ambidexterity/TWF/(possibly ITWF) to dual-wield effectively, so either get nine ranger levels or take a few fighter levels for bonus feats. You should take these levels before L20, because we'd want to keep the AB of the character high.

The monk has a unique AB progression when using the Kama or fighting unarmed. Essentially, the attack progression works by decreasing in units of 3 instead of 5, and there is a bonus attack.

E.g. Billy the monk has an AB of 21. He is armed with a kama. His attack pattern looks as, 21/18/15/12/9.

If Billy was just a figher with a Kama, the attack pattern would be 21/16/11/6.

Give a monk character a second Kama and you are laughing... 6 attacks. Get improved two weapon fighting, 7 attacks. Pop on a item that gives haste, 8 attacks.

Greything · 06-11-2006, 08:31 AM

Thank you T-D-C and Dace.

I was beginning to suspect I would have to go that way to dual wield and now you've confirmed it.

What a pain. That's the last time I listen to the kama salesmen.

And its the ancient black dragons on level 12 that now fly. More and more new things seem to be moving into Undermountain

T-D-C · 06-11-2006, 08:39 AM

Ahhh the dragons dropping from the ceiling ?

Are they the ones that used to be statues?? cause I think they have always done that.

Or are they flying round the room now?

*ducks the falling dragon poo*

robertthebard · 06-11-2006, 04:18 PM

*in the very disgruntled weapon merchant voice* Did you expect them to perform as unarmed attacks, then? Of course you shall have to take feats to dual wield weapons effectively, unless, of course, you are a Ranger, in which case you get them for free.

T-D-C · 06-11-2006, 08:11 PM

But if you want them free you will have to take 9 ranger levels.

robertthebard · 06-11-2006, 09:46 PM

Yep, that's true for improved two weapon fighting, however, you get the standard dual wield for free at first lvl...

06-10-2006, 06:03 PM	#2
Mozenwrathe Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 31, 2005 Location: Mississauga (Toronto), Ontario, CANADA Age: 49 Posts: 1,214	where were the flying dragons? I have not done much exploring as I have been working on my official side project for a while now. __________________ There are no paths to power which are not fraught with confrontation. No matter the battle, a lesson must be won. In the end, the path shall fade into nothingness for the one walking it, but may go on for eternity for those whom choose to follow. One must know their own footsteps before taking that first step, or instead of choosing your battles, your battles will choose you.

06-10-2006, 08:03 PM	#3
T-D-C Ironworks Moderator Join Date: October 26, 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 44 Posts: 4,416	WTF Flying dragons ????????? __________________

06-10-2006, 08:04 PM	#4
T-D-C Ironworks Moderator Join Date: October 26, 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 44 Posts: 4,416	I would build a dex based monk build with the ambi/two weapon fighting feats to get the best use out of the kamas. The monk can use kamas at the same speed as his unarmed attacks. __________________

06-11-2006, 06:57 AM	#5
Dace De'Briago Silver Dragon Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Wales Age: 44 Posts: 1,617	I understand the rules about Kama's [img]smile.gif[/img] You will need Ambidexterity/TWF/(possibly ITWF) to dual-wield effectively, so either get nine ranger levels or take a few fighter levels for bonus feats. You should take these levels before L20, because we'd want to keep the AB of the character high. The monk has a unique AB progression when using the Kama or fighting unarmed. Essentially, the attack progression works by decreasing in units of 3 instead of 5, and there is a bonus attack. E.g. Billy the monk has an AB of 21. He is armed with a kama. His attack pattern looks as, 21/18/15/12/9. If Billy was just a figher with a Kama, the attack pattern would be 21/16/11/6. Give a monk character a second Kama and you are laughing... 6 attacks. Get improved two weapon fighting, 7 attacks. Pop on a item that gives haste, 8 attacks. __________________ Warning: Powergamer

06-11-2006, 08:39 AM	#7
T-D-C Ironworks Moderator Join Date: October 26, 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 44 Posts: 4,416	Ahhh the dragons dropping from the ceiling ? Are they the ones that used to be statues?? cause I think they have always done that. Or are they flying round the room now? ducks the falling dragon poo __________________

06-10-2006, 05:57 PM	#1
Greything Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: June 25, 2004 Location: UK Posts: 633	Does anyone understand the rules about Kamas? Now that there there are some nice ones about I thought it would be nice to build a Monk to use them. But how? The manual is less than clear as to how Kamas work with the unarmed strike feat. If I want to dual-wield do I need to get the ambidexterity/two weapon feats to use Kamas to best effect. So far as I can see, I lose 4 points off my AB as soon as I try to dual wield without ambidexterity etc, which suggests I do have to get these feats. BTW I like the flying dragons Z. Caught me completely by surprise when I met them.

06-11-2006, 08:31 AM	#6
Greything Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: June 25, 2004 Location: UK Posts: 633	Thank you T-D-C and Dace. I was beginning to suspect I would have to go that way to dual wield and now you've confirmed it. What a pain. That's the last time I listen to the kama salesmen. And its the ancient black dragons on level 12 that now fly. More and more new things seem to be moving into Undermountain

06-11-2006, 04:18 PM	#8
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 62 Posts: 4,537	in the very disgruntled weapon merchant voice Did you expect them to perform as unarmed attacks, then? Of course you shall have to take feats to dual wield weapons effectively, unless, of course, you are a Ranger, in which case you get them for free. __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

06-11-2006, 08:11 PM	#9
T-D-C Ironworks Moderator Join Date: October 26, 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 44 Posts: 4,416	But if you want them free you will have to take 9 ranger levels. __________________

06-11-2006, 09:46 PM	#10
robertthebard Xanathar Thieves Guild Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Wichita, KS USA Age: 62 Posts: 4,537	Yep, that's true for improved two weapon fighting, however, you get the standard dual wield for free at first lvl... __________________ To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Interesting read, one of my blogs.

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