Which is better through TOB?

Arathor · 02-18-2003, 09:58 PM

I know a Kensai->Thief (dualed at 13) w/ grand mastery in katanas is better thorugh SOA, but i have heard that an elven Fighter/Thief may be better in the long run in TOB. Is this true?

Thanks

[ 02-18-2003, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: Arathor ]

Angelousss · 02-18-2003, 10:06 PM

once you get use any item i would think your kensai/thief would be incredibly powerful

Dace De'Briago · 02-19-2003, 09:02 AM

Play as a Kensai until L24, then dual to a mage (trust me on this one):

Kensai bonuses: +8 hit/damage, kai until you are sick of it, 4 fighter HLAs.

Thief bonuses: Who cares. You can level up until you get to a higher level than 24 then choose use any item. Mmm. At this point your character will do SILLY damage and have ridiculous bonuses.

/me dribbles at the thought of backstabbing with a Katana with crom in the offhand...

daan · 02-19-2003, 10:15 AM

Without the XP-cap installed, I'd suggest lvl 13 for the kensai though ..

SixOfSpades · 02-19-2003, 07:42 PM

Kensai->Thief, Level 24: 4 Fighter HLAs, 5 Thief HLAs.
Multiclassed Fighter/Thief: 23 HLAs, from either pool.

True, the Kensai->Thief will have more hitpoints and better THAC0, but the Fighter/Thief can wear armor and, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 23 is more than 9.

Who cares what your THAC0 is when you've got 5 attacks per round, Dual-wielding with Assassination during your Time Trap?

LennonCook · 02-20-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
Who cares what your THAC0 is when you've got 5 attacks per round, Dual-wielding with Assassination during your Time Trap?

Then factor in Greater Whirlwind, for lots of attacks, and Critical Strike (twice as much damage AGAIN as what assasination gives

)..
And ofcourse the Timetrap means that noone much will deal damage to *YOU*... am I crazy, or does this game seem to be designed for the F/T ??

Angelousss · 02-20-2003, 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
but the Fighter/Thief can wear armor and, correct me if I'm wrong, ?[/i

the whole point of dualling a kensai to a thief is to get use any item allowing him to wear armor. well and kai backstabs

Dace De'Briago · 02-20-2003, 01:11 AM

Yes, its a very sexy combination.

The other winner is obviously the Kensai/Mage dual. It's quite fun to 'tank up' by using the tensers transformation spell and have a 350hp killing machine wondering around.

SixOfSpades · 02-20-2003, 07:24 PM

Assassination, Whirlwind and Critical Strike all only last for 1 round, and you can only choose one ability per round (unless you abuse Improved Alacrity).

Critical Strike multiplies the damage by 2, unless the victim is wearing a Helmet or otherwise immune to Critical Hits.
Assassination multiplies the damage by 5, unless the victim is immune to Backstab.
Bear in mind that all attacks made during a Time Stop are guaranteed hits anyway.
doesn't seem like a tough call to me.... [img]smile.gif[/img]

When Dual-wielding, Improved Haste is pretty much exactly the same as Greater Whirlwind, and lasts longer.

Angelousss, a Kensai->Thief is indeed nice, but a Multiclass can wear armor a whole lot sooner. A question, though: I've heard that even with Use Any Item, Kensai still cannot wear Bracers/Gloves/Gauntlets. Is this true?

Dundee Slaytern · 02-20-2003, 08:05 PM

False.

02-18-2003, 10:06 PM	#2
Angelousss Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: August 23, 2002 Location: come play with my wings Age: 41 Posts: 821	once you get use any item i would think your kensai/thief would be incredibly powerful __________________ Just because your paranoid<br />Don\'t mean they\'re not after you<br />Kurt Cobain

02-19-2003, 09:02 AM	#3
Dace De'Briago Silver Dragon Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Wales Age: 44 Posts: 1,617	Play as a Kensai until L24, then dual to a mage (trust me on this one): Kensai bonuses: +8 hit/damage, kai until you are sick of it, 4 fighter HLAs. Thief bonuses: Who cares. You can level up until you get to a higher level than 24 then choose use any item. Mmm. At this point your character will do SILLY damage and have ridiculous bonuses. /me dribbles at the thought of backstabbing with a Katana with crom in the offhand... __________________ Warning: Powergamer

02-19-2003, 10:15 AM	#4
daan Silver Dragon Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: - Age: 39 Posts: 1,644	Without the XP-cap installed, I'd suggest lvl 13 for the kensai though .. __________________ <strong> Odi et Amo. Quare id faciam facisse requires ? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior </strong><br /><br /><strong> Amantem cogit amare magis, sed bene velle minus </strong>

02-19-2003, 07:42 PM	#5
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	Kensai->Thief, Level 24: 4 Fighter HLAs, 5 Thief HLAs. Multiclassed Fighter/Thief: 23 HLAs, from either pool. True, the Kensai->Thief will have more hitpoints and better THAC0, but the Fighter/Thief can wear armor and, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 23 is more than 9. Who cares what your THAC0 is when you've got 5 attacks per round, Dual-wielding with Assassination during your Time Trap? __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

02-20-2003, 01:11 AM	#8
Dace De'Briago Silver Dragon Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Wales Age: 44 Posts: 1,617	Yes, its a very sexy combination. The other winner is obviously the Kensai/Mage dual. It's quite fun to 'tank up' by using the tensers transformation spell and have a 350hp killing machine wondering around. __________________ Warning: Powergamer

02-18-2003, 09:58 PM	#1
Arathor The Magister Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Indiana, US Age: 39 Posts: 121	I know a Kensai->Thief (dualed at 13) w/ grand mastery in katanas is better thorugh SOA, but i have heard that an elven Fighter/Thief may be better in the long run in TOB. Is this true? Thanks [ 02-18-2003, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: Arathor ]

02-20-2003, 07:24 PM	#9
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	Assassination, Whirlwind and Critical Strike all only last for 1 round, and you can only choose one ability per round (unless you abuse Improved Alacrity). Critical Strike multiplies the damage by 2, unless the victim is wearing a Helmet or otherwise immune to Critical Hits. Assassination multiplies the damage by 5, unless the victim is immune to Backstab. Bear in mind that all attacks made during a Time Stop are guaranteed hits anyway. doesn't seem like a tough call to me.... [img]smile.gif[/img] When Dual-wielding, Improved Haste is pretty much exactly the same as Greater Whirlwind, and lasts longer. Angelousss, a Kensai->Thief is indeed nice, but a Multiclass can wear armor a whole lot sooner. A question, though: I've heard that even with Use Any Item, Kensai still cannot wear Bracers/Gloves/Gauntlets. Is this true? __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

02-20-2003, 08:05 PM	#10
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	False.

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