07-09-2009, 12:05 AM | #51 | |
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07-09-2009, 12:11 AM | #52 | |
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You make a decent point, let us drop the ax on gun manufacturers, who have over the years of greed created the said lucrative market. Limit total production back to 6 shooters, single action, single cylinder load. That way we will not infringe upon the constitution.
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07-09-2009, 12:13 AM | #53 | |
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Seriously guns, even handguns are widely available and in no way even close to being banned, yet the outrage is like they already took them all away. Not even mention the sensational, almost propaganda-like thread title which implies the FEDS R cuming for yur gunz!1111!1111!!!! No they are not- Guns are not illegal, nor is the government going door to door across America confiscating them. As noted by VR there is ample political will to keep them legal. An opinion i came across- A laymans reading of the ENTIRE 2nd Amendment leads me to believe that arms regulation is in the best interest of a both a free State and an armed populace. Making the argument that so called "gun control" is in fact mandated by the 2nd amendment in equal amount to the right to bear arms. This is also the road of compromise which provides guns being legally available while we maintain the best methods to achieve comprehensive registry as well as safeguard public safety. In the spirit of this compromise I would love to see consumer/voter demand for better technology to keep a stolen guns from ever being used again after the theft. We can certainly achieve something like this technological kill switch.
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07-09-2009, 12:21 AM | #54 | |
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Blame? Sure there is plenty of blame to go around. Firstly, the manufacturer of said weapon. Secondly, the agency responsible for tracking an enormous increase of magazine and ammunition purchases by said perpetrator, etc... Thirdly, the timeline in which the event spanned. If the agencies in place were doing what they are receiving a salary to complete, then this could have been thwarted, as well as many other events of this nature.
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07-09-2009, 12:31 AM | #55 | ||
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But they are not in the hands of common folk in Europe. Most European countries either ban or heavily restrict them. I have lived in two of the three countries mentioned in that article. Try get a gun in Britain, and you tell me if it's easy. It is an exhaustive process, riddled with supervision, overseeing and legal application. You most likely would be refused. There are no gunshops on street corners like in the USA, and they are not "promoted" like they are in America, nor is there anything in their consitutional laws admitting them to citizens. Basically, it is very rare to know meet anyone who owns a gun in the United Kingdom. Unlike in the USA, where most people either have one or have access to one. Most families in the US will have a handgun somewhere in the house, the same way you would have a can-opener in the house. They've become commonplace in the US but they are NOT this way in Europe. Saying they are legal in Europe can give the false impression that they're easily accessible and that everyone and their mother can go get one. Not the case at all. In America you can gpurchase a gun on the grounds of self-defence. You cannot own a gun for this reason in the UK. In fact, the proceedings to get your hands on a legal gun in Britain are so thorough and scrutinizing that most people don't bother. This is how it should be in the US at the very least, if they're not fully banned. So, to reiterate, and to make sure there are no misconceptions about life outside of the United States. Using the UK example again, you will not find people strolling around with guns in Britain. Nor will you find a gun in the majority of houses you visit. Nor will you find it easy to locate a gunshop in your local city, because there are none since everyday people aren't granted the right to own them by default and no customers equals no profit equals no shops. Look here for the process: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...United_Kingdom Quote:
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07-09-2009, 12:35 AM | #56 |
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Yes, but if we did they'd just hack it. You can unlock phones, I imagine it'd be the same with guns. Then again, if the solution was something in the bio-degradable area, or some kinda non lethal self-destruct, which would render a stolen gun useless beyond repair. Just thinking out loud.
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07-09-2009, 12:43 AM | #57 | |
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Stupid astigmatism. Iron sights, indeed, though!
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07-09-2009, 01:00 AM | #58 | |
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And as far as my adressing you, I've been adressing the position and the thoughts. But if'n you want me to start adressing you like a Dumbass (your words not mine) Well I reckon I can do that, just to make you feel good. After all I don't want you feeling bad. So how about me Starting with quit the poor pittiful me they are picking on me crap, and man up. How about them apples bubba?
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07-09-2009, 01:11 AM | #59 |
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OK, so, where's Bungleau when you need someone to get the popcorn.
Seriously though, not to sound like a mod (though I know it will) John D, lets not flamebait here. A decently heated debate, fine, but not famebaiting.
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