Thoughts on society

SSJ4Sephiroth · 04-29-2002, 11:08 PM

Well it seems that quite recently I've been thinking more than I realized, and came up with a few thoughts on society... not in general, it would take entire volumes to document all of my thoughts of all of society. This one is about looks, and how people seem to be obsessed with them in liu of other traits.
Yes, I know that the internet is a new medium that people can use to meet without relying on looks, and that it lets you get to know a person before their face, blah blah blah, I've used those arguments until my jaw went numb. I'm not talking about online stuff here, I'm referring to real life, face to face things. So why is everyone so obsessed with how a person appears anyway? Surely when you just meet a person, or even just pass them on the street, you can't already be thinking about bedding them.
Don't say that it's just a guy thing either, 'cause gals do it as much as we do, or at least somewhere near there, it's just not as blaringly obvious. No matter where I look, there's a tall guy with big muscles with girls pretty much fawning over him while little ol' me sits in the corner and skulks and nobody even comes over to talk to me. Does it matter that I happen to have a rather nice personality after awhile? Apparently not, since I'm only 5'4.5" and my muscles are non-existant, pretty much. It doesn't seem to help that I have dark brown hair and almost black eyes either. It's annoying that people are ignored because they're not absolutely gorgeous and can't bench press 200 pounds.
Another thing, why does anyone even care about muscles? I sure don't, I don't try to build mine up because there's no point at all to it, really. I won't be doing anything with my hands when I grow up, why do I need to be able to lift 300 pounds over my head? Guys my age are lifting, some of them 150-250 pounds. That's not near healthy, they're too young to lift, or so I hear. And what's worse, they take a pill to give them pretty much pure protien before they lift. Strength of body is meaningless, if people could look past that to strength of character then we could actually have a decent society, maybe.
It seems like in today's world, in the U.S. at least, if you can't beat someone's ass you have no chance at life, if you don't have statuesque looks you're some poor worthless sod who would be better off shot, and if you're not six feet tall you may as well be jettisoned out into deep space. Personally, I like people with a good personality. Usually it's not looks that attracts me to a person either, but it's their intelligence. I feel a rant about female intelligence and why it's disapproved of by idiot guys coming on, but I'll save it for later. I've taken up enough of your time already.

Cody R. Lape

mistral4543 · 04-30-2002, 02:46 AM

Well, I won't be so quick as to agree with the above totally, since even in my mid-20s, I feel that I have not met enough people to confirm/dispel my gut feelings on society.

My personally view is that we can't grudge others for being good-looking, physically stronger or even being more intelligent. No matter how great we are in any single aspect, there will always be someone better. That's how people and society improve over time.

Ultimately, what is most important is for us to be comfortable with ourselves. Meaning that if we are aware of some "disadvantages" we have from others, we happily accept them; if we don't accept them, we work hard to try to attain the desired level and then accept our limitations if we find that it is not quite possible to reach there.

So what I think we can do is to build up our strengths, try to limit our weaknesses and definitely focus on the areas we have control over.

Just my 2 cents' worth

TheThing · 04-30-2002, 02:58 AM

yep, it is a guy thing. male grew up and learn to respond things in a physical way, while female grew up to be physcological way. it is biologically different for man and woman. thats why so many men watch porns and so many women got turned on by verbal appraises. I am talking about GENERALLY. there maybe individual exception, but the general rules apply.

for me, look is as important as personality. It actually IS a important attractive measurement other than a good cooking skill

just kidding ^^

other than that, Mistral said it all ^&^

[ 04-30-2002, 04:14 AM: Message edited by: TheThing ]

Neb · 04-30-2002, 04:42 PM

I can't understand how other guys can think about having sex with a girl without knowing AND loving her. I could NOT sleep with someone that I did not love. However "high and mighty" it might sound I consider my classmates and most of the rest of the human race highly uncivilized and crude.

I don't mind that other people are like that though, I don't have any interest in the shallow girls anyway.

I don't get the muscle thing either, if you're looking for a succesful man who'll be able to hold a good job and earn lots of cash to support you you should look for the brainy guys instead.

Talthyr Malkaviel · 04-30-2002, 04:55 PM

And then the women who have had only bad experiences from the shallow guys turn around and say 'There's just no good men out there.'
You just want to say 'maybe you're looking in the wrong places.'

Grand-Ranger · 04-30-2002, 05:03 PM

People like to look good, thats all there is to it. And I dont see whats so wrong with it either.

ALot of people think that how you look reflects waht you think about your self. I dont know that thats true or not. But I do know that people like to look good. People can go overboard with it, and fashion is highly over rated.

But theres nothing wrong with making sure your dont seem homley and present your self in good a good fashion. Not fashion in whats popular and all that, but you know what I mean.

And its not entirley true you dont need muscels. Take farming for instance. Farming is perhaps the most important job in the world, you going to always need food. It takes a great deal of endurance and strength to generaly get a ranch going.

You have to load things back and forth, you have to deal with over 500 pound animals. Among other things.

What about construction. Somebody built the house your living in and it took a quite of bit of muscel to do it.

Thats my take on it.

AzureWolf · 04-30-2002, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Neb:
I can't understand how other guys can think about having sex with a girl without knowing AND loving her. I could NOT sleep with someone that I did not love.

Its a choice you make Neb, often a spur of the moment thing. Not every girl you meet and have sex with you are going to fall in love with. Falling in love takes a long time and a girl you meet at a nightclub and go home with you aint goina fall in love with overnight

Neb · 04-30-2002, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by AzureWolf:

quote:
Originally posted by Neb:
I can't understand how other guys can think about having sex with a girl without knowing AND loving her. I could NOT sleep with someone that I did not love.

Its a choice you make Neb, often a spur of the moment thing. Not every girl you meet and have sex with you are going to fall in love with. Falling in love takes a long time and a girl you meet at a nightclub and go home with you aint goina fall in love with overnight [/QUOTE]Then perhaps you shouldn't just meet a girl at a night club and go home with her then?

AzureWolf · 04-30-2002, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Neb:

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Originally posted by AzureWolf:

quote:
Originally posted by Neb:
I can't understand how other guys can think about having sex with a girl without knowing AND loving her. I could NOT sleep with someone that I did not love.

Its a choice you make Neb, often a spur of the moment thing. Not every girl you meet and have sex with you are going to fall in love with. Falling in love takes a long time and a girl you meet at a nightclub and go home with you aint goina fall in love with overnight [/QUOTE]Then perhaps you shouldn't just meet a girl at a night club and go home with her then?[/QUOTE]I dont know about you, but there is usually a long time between falling in love with girls. And I dont know about you but I dont find the idea of going for months celibate as an attractive prospect [img]tongue.gif[/img]

khazadman · 04-30-2002, 06:16 PM

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yep, it is a guy thing. male grew up and learn to respond things in a physical way, while female grew up to be physcological way. it is biologically different for man and woman.

oh,please!i have five sisters and i could never count the times i heard them talking about the various physical attributes of the guys they've seen.
and seph,i don't care what you do for work you should work out.i'm not saying that you should buff up like a mr olympia.but just enough to keep healthy.because not working out is not good for you.

04-30-2002, 04:55 PM	#5
Talthyr Malkaviel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: August 31, 2001 Location: Land of the Britons Age: 37 Posts: 3,224	And then the women who have had only bad experiences from the shallow guys turn around and say 'There's just no good men out there.' You just want to say 'maybe you're looking in the wrong places.' __________________ Resident cantankerous sorcerer of the Clan HADB<br />and Sorcerous Nuttella salesman of the O.R.T<br /> <br /><br />Say NO to the Trouser Tyranny! Can I drill you about this?

04-30-2002, 05:03 PM	#6
Grand-Ranger Galvatron Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: Everywhere I wanna go its already where I am,cause I am already there Posts: 2,130	People like to look good, thats all there is to it. And I dont see whats so wrong with it either. ALot of people think that how you look reflects waht you think about your self. I dont know that thats true or not. But I do know that people like to look good. People can go overboard with it, and fashion is highly over rated. But theres nothing wrong with making sure your dont seem homley and present your self in good a good fashion. Not fashion in whats popular and all that, but you know what I mean. And its not entirley true you dont need muscels. Take farming for instance. Farming is perhaps the most important job in the world, you going to always need food. It takes a great deal of endurance and strength to generaly get a ranch going. You have to load things back and forth, you have to deal with over 500 pound animals. Among other things. What about construction. Somebody built the house your living in and it took a quite of bit of muscel to do it. Thats my take on it. __________________ <br /><br />So if in the shaddows look behind you, because thats where the ranger will be.

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04-29-2002, 11:08 PM	#1
SSJ4Sephiroth Beholder Join Date: May 4, 2001 Location: The Outside Looking In Age: 37 Posts: 4,361	Well it seems that quite recently I've been thinking more than I realized, and came up with a few thoughts on society... not in general, it would take entire volumes to document all of my thoughts of all of society. This one is about looks, and how people seem to be obsessed with them in liu of other traits. Yes, I know that the internet is a new medium that people can use to meet without relying on looks, and that it lets you get to know a person before their face, blah blah blah, I've used those arguments until my jaw went numb. I'm not talking about online stuff here, I'm referring to real life, face to face things. So why is everyone so obsessed with how a person appears anyway? Surely when you just meet a person, or even just pass them on the street, you can't already be thinking about bedding them. Don't say that it's just a guy thing either, 'cause gals do it as much as we do, or at least somewhere near there, it's just not as blaringly obvious. No matter where I look, there's a tall guy with big muscles with girls pretty much fawning over him while little ol' me sits in the corner and skulks and nobody even comes over to talk to me. Does it matter that I happen to have a rather nice personality after awhile? Apparently not, since I'm only 5'4.5" and my muscles are non-existant, pretty much. It doesn't seem to help that I have dark brown hair and almost black eyes either. It's annoying that people are ignored because they're not absolutely gorgeous and can't bench press 200 pounds. Another thing, why does anyone even care about muscles? I sure don't, I don't try to build mine up because there's no point at all to it, really. I won't be doing anything with my hands when I grow up, why do I need to be able to lift 300 pounds over my head? Guys my age are lifting, some of them 150-250 pounds. That's not near healthy, they're too young to lift, or so I hear. And what's worse, they take a pill to give them pretty much pure protien before they lift. Strength of body is meaningless, if people could look past that to strength of character then we could actually have a decent society, maybe. It seems like in today's world, in the U.S. at least, if you can't beat someone's ass you have no chance at life, if you don't have statuesque looks you're some poor worthless sod who would be better off shot, and if you're not six feet tall you may as well be jettisoned out into deep space. Personally, I like people with a good personality. Usually it's not looks that attracts me to a person either, but it's their intelligence. I feel a rant about female intelligence and why it's disapproved of by idiot guys coming on, but I'll save it for later. I've taken up enough of your time already. Cody R. Lape

04-30-2002, 02:46 AM	#2
mistral4543 Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: House of Freelight Age: 47 Posts: 3,159	Well, I won't be so quick as to agree with the above totally, since even in my mid-20s, I feel that I have not met enough people to confirm/dispel my gut feelings on society. My personally view is that we can't grudge others for being good-looking, physically stronger or even being more intelligent. No matter how great we are in any single aspect, there will always be someone better. That's how people and society improve over time. Ultimately, what is most important is for us to be comfortable with ourselves. Meaning that if we are aware of some "disadvantages" we have from others, we happily accept them; if we don't accept them, we work hard to try to attain the desired level and then accept our limitations if we find that it is not quite possible to reach there. So what I think we can do is to build up our strengths, try to limit our weaknesses and definitely focus on the areas we have control over. Just my 2 cents' worth

04-30-2002, 02:58 AM	#3
TheThing Banned User Join Date: March 17, 2002 Location: shadow Posts: 246	yep, it is a guy thing. male grew up and learn to respond things in a physical way, while female grew up to be physcological way. it is biologically different for man and woman. thats why so many men watch porns and so many women got turned on by verbal appraises. I am talking about GENERALLY. there maybe individual exception, but the general rules apply. for me, look is as important as personality. It actually IS a important attractive measurement other than a good cooking skill just kidding ^^ other than that, Mistral said it all ^&^ [ 04-30-2002, 04:14 AM: Message edited by: TheThing ]

04-30-2002, 04:42 PM	#4
Neb Account deleted by Request Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: . Age: 38 Posts: 8,802	I can't understand how other guys can think about having sex with a girl without knowing AND loving her. I could NOT sleep with someone that I did not love. However "high and mighty" it might sound I consider my classmates and most of the rest of the human race highly uncivilized and crude. I don't mind that other people are like that though, I don't have any interest in the shallow girls anyway. I don't get the muscle thing either, if you're looking for a succesful man who'll be able to hold a good job and earn lots of cash to support you you should look for the brainy guys instead.

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