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Since we're in the habit of post dissection I'll be happy to continue the trend....
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I never said they didn't exist I said that they are nothing. I implied the superficiality of their identity. I implied the malleability, the unimportance of their identity. Quote:
Awww c'mon, have you never been in a (admittedly cheesy) poetic mood before? Quote:
faces change when genes change. Move people around, inter-breed them. Change their faces. And as for controlling their minds, you're right, easier said than done. I meant to say 'control the way they express their minds', which is more workable. Quote:
True, among herd mammals; among servants and slaves. But among predators, among human rulers, the will to power is paramount. And my personal belief is that as individuals, predators count for more than their prey. Indeed the prey must be cultivated, else the predator cannot feed (read: the ruler cannot rule, in a human context, if there are no servants to command). Yet herd mammals are only valuable as a group, as individuals they do not matter. Quote:
<--all my utterly subjective and prejudicial opinion of course. [ 09-09-2004, 12:47 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]
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09-09-2004, 08:59 AM | #43 | |
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What can we use to guide us if not our morality and logic? [/QUOTE]I disagree. I think we are no more extreme than anyone else deep down. We are all animals, but we have not tasted war and terror like some have. If we do, I fear we are just as animalistic as others. We can not imagine what it is like. It is wrong to sit here and apply our morals and sensibility. We can try and prevent things but to pass judgement makes us too aristocratic.
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09-09-2004, 09:09 AM | #44 |
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i agree with avatar. remove our technological and put us in a warzone in a world of hate and survival then we would bring our animalistic side of us to survive.
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You make judgements every time a new situation occurs. Just by saying that " to pass judgement makes us too aristocratic" you have made a judgement.
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To be nothing is to be of no consequence (my definition, not yours). This incident shall barely register a fraction of a blip on the genetic inheritance of our species. The people will all be forgotten, what will remain is the instinct for the timid to huddle together and mourn and bewail their fate, whilst the strong herd them and prey upon them (read: rulers shall exploit their fear and communal desire for safety as a means to secure their labour). Quote:
That is because most people are servants, and lack the strength to rule. Quote:
Well, by now I have fully recognised you as a herd creature. That's well and good Where you see so-called learning, change and growth I see manipulation and social conditioning. And what is survival for the herd other than the security of communal consensus? Huddle together, garner protection in numbers, safety from the outside world. Peace is an illusion,a sheep's justification for enforced conformity. Aggression and violence upset timid herd-folk by disrupting the serenity of the group.Yet these same concepts are qualities in an individual who seeks to exert their will over such a herd. [ 09-09-2004, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]
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09-10-2004, 02:21 PM | #48 |
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While discussing the attrocities commited by Chechen terrorists, let's not overlook the crimes of the Russian soldiers in Chechnya. If you've been following the news, you've probably seen it all pass. From the rape and torture of children to seemingly random executions of civilians.
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Nor did I try to do so. Point is, we often do overlook the human rights situation in Chechnya. Granted, the Council of Europe has issued a few warnings, but I don't think anything concrete has been done. Putin just points at the terrorists/freedom fighters, waves his magic wand, mutters the words 'international terrorism' and everyone looks the other way.
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