Any english term for this?

Kakero · 03-13-2008, 09:19 AM

You can normally see this in a samurai movie. Two swordmen facing each other with their swords drawn. Then they charge and slash (one time) at each other.

Anybody know the english term for this?

Firestormalpha · 03-13-2008, 09:42 AM

a couple come to mind, but I'm not sure it's what you're looking for.
primarily it sounds like a duel.

Thoran · 03-13-2008, 09:56 AM

Sounds like tilting at the rail... but instead of puny swords, we Westerners used 10 foot long iron tipped lances.

Kakero · 03-13-2008, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoran

Sounds like tilting at the rail... but instead of puny swords, we Westerners used 10 foot long iron tipped lances.

"Tilting at the rail"? Seems too long for a term no?

I usually use the japanese term "Battojutsu" to describe that fighting style ( Two swordmen with their swords drawn charge and then slash one time at each other ). Not really correct but I don't know any english term for that.

Gangrell · 03-13-2008, 11:05 AM

A duel maybe?

Kakero · 03-13-2008, 11:40 AM

So the term is "Duel"? Sounds too common.

Picture this...if I use "duel"

After fighting several hours in the tower with victory seemingly still far away. Henry decided to end their fight by suggesting a "duel".

Henry - Come James, let us end this fight once and for all. Let us see who will finally be victorious. Let us do a "duel".

James *scratch head * - We ARE dueling you idiot!!

The japanese term however seems nicer.

After fighting several hours in the tower with victory seemingly still far away. Henry decided to end their fight by suggesting a "Battojutsu".

Henry - Come James, let us end this fight once and for all. Let us see who will finally be victorious. Let us do a "Battojutsu".

James *snicker* - Very well then, this fight is going nowhere. I accept.

Now the problem is that, using a japanese term in an english sentense seems out of place.

SpiritWarrior · 03-13-2008, 11:42 AM

I have actually wondered this too. There seems to be no english translation for it precisely. I guess they just use the native term inside an english sentence, the way they do with spanish and french sometimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battojutsu

Firestormalpha · 03-13-2008, 11:45 AM

Ahh, I thought the fight started and ended with just the one blow. If they were going at it for awhile before that, I'm not sure what you would call it. Unless perhaps you avoided the what to call it and had one of your swordsmen declare that it's time to end it, or say "let's finish this!". something like that.

Unglaublich Verwustung · 03-13-2008, 01:53 PM

It sounds like it is actually iaidō that you are talking about, and not battōjutsu, since the first is a kata purely based on a single smooth movement combining draw/strike/sheathe, whereas the kata in battōjutsu involve multiple cuts after the drawing of the sword.

Beaumanoir · 03-13-2008, 02:12 PM

Hmm, there are different ways i suppose. Duel is the correct word for the context. Though the grammar is shot, I think. It would flow better using the verb over the noun.

E.g. 'Let us duel' instead of 'Let us do a duel'. Grammatically it would be 'let us HAVE a duel' anyway.

I agree with firestorm in a way. Just saying something related but non-specific would work just as well, although 'let's finish this' is one of those clichéd terms bastardised by most authors nowadays. Hehe. (What's wrong with a nice old archaic 'To arms!')

Japanese does seem slightly out of place, but not in principle, just because it doesn't happen to often. Theres plenty of French that could be used. He could shout the good old 'en garde' or it could be referred to as a 'affaire d'honneur'. Both are acceptable in most English. Japanese hasn't made it as far into english though I'm afraid. Unless you wanted him to shout 'Now, James! Commit Hari Kari upon my sword!'...

No... no that just doesn't work.

03-13-2008, 09:19 AM	#1
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	Any english term for this? You can normally see this in a samurai movie. Two swordmen facing each other with their swords drawn. Then they charge and slash (one time) at each other. Anybody know the english term for this?

03-13-2008, 09:42 AM	#2
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 40 Posts: 4,454	Re: Any english term for this? a couple come to mind, but I'm not sure it's what you're looking for. primarily it sounds like a duel. __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

03-13-2008, 09:56 AM	#3
Thoran Galvatron Join Date: January 10, 2002 Location: Upstate NY Age: 56 Posts: 2,109	Re: Any english term for this? Sounds like tilting at the rail... but instead of puny swords, we Westerners used 10 foot long iron tipped lances.

03-13-2008, 11:05 AM	#5
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 36 Posts: 4,835	Re: Any english term for this? A duel maybe?

03-13-2008, 11:40 AM	#6
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	Re: Any english term for this? So the term is "Duel"? Sounds too common. Picture this...if I use "duel" After fighting several hours in the tower with victory seemingly still far away. Henry decided to end their fight by suggesting a "duel". Henry - Come James, let us end this fight once and for all. Let us see who will finally be victorious. Let us do a "duel". James scratch head - We ARE dueling you idiot!! The japanese term however seems nicer. After fighting several hours in the tower with victory seemingly still far away. Henry decided to end their fight by suggesting a "Battojutsu". Henry - Come James, let us end this fight once and for all. Let us see who will finally be victorious. Let us do a "Battojutsu". James snicker - Very well then, this fight is going nowhere. I accept. Now the problem is that, using a japanese term in an english sentense seems out of place.

03-13-2008, 11:42 AM	#7
SpiritWarrior Jack Burton Join Date: May 31, 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,854	Re: Any english term for this? I have actually wondered this too. There seems to be no english translation for it precisely. I guess they just use the native term inside an english sentence, the way they do with spanish and french sometimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battojutsu __________________ Still I feel like a child when I look at the moon, maybe I grew up a little too soon...

03-13-2008, 11:45 AM	#8
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 40 Posts: 4,454	Re: Any english term for this? Ahh, I thought the fight started and ended with just the one blow. If they were going at it for awhile before that, I'm not sure what you would call it. Unless perhaps you avoided the what to call it and had one of your swordsmen declare that it's time to end it, or say "let's finish this!". something like that. __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

03-13-2008, 01:53 PM	#9
Unglaublich Verwustung Silver Dragon Join Date: August 2, 2006 Location: i ngach aon áit (but mostly Western Europe) Age: 55 Posts: 1,619	Re: Any english term for this? It sounds like it is actually iaidō that you are talking about, and not battōjutsu, since the first is a kata purely based on a single smooth movement combining draw/strike/sheathe, whereas the kata in battōjutsu involve multiple cuts after the drawing of the sword. __________________ Make a decision, even if it's wrong, and remember.... ...it's never too early for a salad.

03-13-2008, 02:12 PM	#10
Beaumanoir Iron Throne Cult Join Date: June 3, 2001 Location: There is no IRL, Only AFK. Age: 35 Posts: 4,896	Re: Any english term for this? Hmm, there are different ways i suppose. Duel is the correct word for the context. Though the grammar is shot, I think. It would flow better using the verb over the noun. E.g. 'Let us duel' instead of 'Let us do a duel'. Grammatically it would be 'let us HAVE a duel' anyway. I agree with firestorm in a way. Just saying something related but non-specific would work just as well, although 'let's finish this' is one of those clichéd terms bastardised by most authors nowadays. Hehe. (What's wrong with a nice old archaic 'To arms!') Japanese does seem slightly out of place, but not in principle, just because it doesn't happen to often. Theres plenty of French that could be used. He could shout the good old 'en garde' or it could be referred to as a 'affaire d'honneur'. Both are acceptable in most English. Japanese hasn't made it as far into english though I'm afraid. Unless you wanted him to shout 'Now, James! Commit Hari Kari upon my sword!'... No... no that just doesn't work. __________________ My pokemon bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like; you wanna trade cards? Damn right, I wanna trade cards, I'll trade this but not my Charizard.

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