Can there be only one great helm?

bsftcs · 05-12-2003, 01:38 PM

Can there be only one great helm at any given moment in the game? Whenever I play the game from scratch it is always there in the treasure chest by the Mavin Sword in the Dragon Spire. But when I reset the adventure it is never there the second or third time. The Divine Chain of D'Soto is always there, however. Is the game bugging out on me or what?

Bungleau · 05-12-2003, 02:04 PM

I believe it's a random treasure, so its existence in a given treasure chest depends on a roll of the dice. I'm not sure if I've ever had it; I know I haven't seen it in a while...

bsftcs · 05-12-2003, 05:34 PM

I had a feeling that was the case. It is just strange then, that I have found it in the same chest four times. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

Radek · 05-13-2003, 03:52 AM

The helm is a random treasure. AFAIK, there is no place in the game where you would always find the helm. Also, there is no limit on the number of the helms. It's a matter of the random number generator.

LiOnHe@rT · 05-14-2003, 02:02 AM

hey, then it's quite unfair! my brother also played W&W and he found 2 great helms after he got past brim, and all i found was a miserable NOTHING! is this a bug with the number generator, or is it juz plain absence of luck...?

Radek · 05-14-2003, 03:26 AM

It's only bad luck. Consider the average number of Great Helms you find during a game run and then consider the chance that you find none.
Does not matter. Search Helms of the Realm instead [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sazerac · 05-14-2003, 03:43 AM

Don't feel badly. I played through the game 4 times before finding a Wizard's Dagger (everyone had been finding them left and right). I then started a new game, only to find one on the Spectral Warrior in the Crypt!! (That's probably next to near perfect improbability). It's just the RNG...you never know what it's going to chunk out at you.

-Sazerac

bsftcs · 05-14-2003, 01:47 PM

The wizard's dagger. Now there is an item I would like to find just once.

Radek · 05-15-2003, 03:41 AM

Sure ways to the Wizard's Blade.

- Always check all daggers dropped by centaurs. They often drop Wizard's Blades.
- The "treasure room" in Skull Castle. Both chests can contain a Wizard's Blade. Save. Open the chest. Reload. Open the chest... Check all daggers you find. It's only a matter of patience.
- Both chests at Cet. If they contain a dagger then it is almost surely a Wizard's Blade. Save. Open the chest... Again, the success is granted and you get the blade much sooner than in the treasure room.

Naturally, you can get your blade anywhere in Brimloch Roon. Most of chests can contain it. Not only centaurs can drop it.

Olli Kalma · 05-15-2003, 07:38 AM

Wow Sazerac !

That's good example why I identify all daggers from the beginning!
It doesn't need so high skill to identify daggers, and if you can't identify it,
it has some magical powers! [img]smile.gif[/img]

I did found my first dagger in my seacond game ( or first one that I played trought.. ) and in seacond game I found two 'Wizard's Blade' !

As Radek said: Try to find near Centaurs and Skull Castle.
There I did found my ones [img]smile.gif[/img]

05-12-2003, 01:38 PM	#1
bsftcs Red Dragon Join Date: January 23, 2003 Location: Denmark Age: 45 Posts: 1,577	Can there be only one great helm at any given moment in the game? Whenever I play the game from scratch it is always there in the treasure chest by the Mavin Sword in the Dragon Spire. But when I reset the adventure it is never there the second or third time. The Divine Chain of D'Soto is always there, however. Is the game bugging out on me or what? __________________ Moderation is good so long as it is not exaggerated!

05-12-2003, 02:04 PM	#2
Bungleau 40th Level Warrior Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: Western Wilds of Michigan Posts: 11,752	I believe it's a random treasure, so its existence in a given treasure chest depends on a roll of the dice. I'm not sure if I've ever had it; I know I haven't seen it in a while... __________________ B Save Early, Save Often Save Before, Save After Two-Star General, Spelling Soldiers -+-+-+ Give 'em a hug one more time. It might be the last.

05-12-2003, 05:34 PM	#3
bsftcs Red Dragon Join Date: January 23, 2003 Location: Denmark Age: 45 Posts: 1,577	I had a feeling that was the case. It is just strange then, that I have found it in the same chest four times. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] __________________ Moderation is good so long as it is not exaggerated!

05-13-2003, 03:52 AM	#4
Radek Red Dragon Join Date: April 3, 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 1,586	The helm is a random treasure. AFAIK, there is no place in the game where you would always find the helm. Also, there is no limit on the number of the helms. It's a matter of the random number generator. __________________ My name is Demon\'s Last Day. Yes, the last one.

05-14-2003, 02:02 AM	#5
LiOnHe@rT Baaz Draconian Join Date: August 6, 2002 Location: Singapore, youngest ever!!! Age: 35 Posts: 731	hey, then it's quite unfair! my brother also played W&W and he found 2 great helms after he got past brim, and all i found was a miserable NOTHING! is this a bug with the number generator, or is it juz plain absence of luck...? __________________ <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[knight]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/knight.gif\" /> I am the Glacial Knight and will purge thy evil! (though this knight doesnt look so icicle...)

05-14-2003, 03:26 AM	#6
Radek Red Dragon Join Date: April 3, 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 1,586	It's only bad luck. Consider the average number of Great Helms you find during a game run and then consider the chance that you find none. Does not matter. Search Helms of the Realm instead [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ My name is Demon\'s Last Day. Yes, the last one.

05-14-2003, 03:43 AM	#7
Sazerac Ironworks Moderator Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Monroe, LA Age: 60 Posts: 7,387	Don't feel badly. I played through the game 4 times before finding a Wizard's Dagger (everyone had been finding them left and right). I then started a new game, only to find one on the Spectral Warrior in the Crypt!! (That's probably next to near perfect improbability). It's just the RNG...you never know what it's going to chunk out at you. -Sazerac

05-14-2003, 01:47 PM	#8
bsftcs Red Dragon Join Date: January 23, 2003 Location: Denmark Age: 45 Posts: 1,577	The wizard's dagger. Now there is an item I would like to find just once. __________________ Moderation is good so long as it is not exaggerated!

05-15-2003, 03:41 AM	#9
Radek Red Dragon Join Date: April 3, 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 1,586	Sure ways to the Wizard's Blade. - Always check all daggers dropped by centaurs. They often drop Wizard's Blades. - The "treasure room" in Skull Castle. Both chests can contain a Wizard's Blade. Save. Open the chest. Reload. Open the chest... Check all daggers you find. It's only a matter of patience. - Both chests at Cet. If they contain a dagger then it is almost surely a Wizard's Blade. Save. Open the chest... Again, the success is granted and you get the blade much sooner than in the treasure room. Naturally, you can get your blade anywhere in Brimloch Roon. Most of chests can contain it. Not only centaurs can drop it. __________________ My name is Demon\'s Last Day. Yes, the last one.

05-15-2003, 07:38 AM	#10
Olli Kalma Avatar Join Date: October 2, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 42 Posts: 546	Wow Sazerac ! That's good example why I identify all daggers from the beginning! It doesn't need so high skill to identify daggers, and if you can't identify it, it has some magical powers! [img]smile.gif[/img] I did found my first dagger in my seacond game ( or first one that I played trought.. ) and in seacond game I found two 'Wizard's Blade' ! As Radek said: Try to find near Centaurs and Skull Castle. There I did found my ones [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ What doesn\'t kill you, makes you stronger.

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