05-30-2002, 12:07 PM | #111 |
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im against the death penalty. but i guess this is a typical case of an issue where opinions are not going to change.
i just want to point out 2 things... one that amnesty international is one of the most respected organisations in the world, and that they take great risks in doing their job, which they do remarkably well. and two that its ok for a state/country/whatever to decide their own laws. i just find it very funny that the us is in the same list as the axis of evil in this issue. maybe they could be good friends since they share similar views after all.
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If a 17-year old is not considered an adult, then a 17-year old should not be tried as one. If we're going to try 17-year olds as adults, then we should no longer consider them minors, and they should be treated as adults. Meaning that not only would they face the same consequences, but they should also receive the various benefits that come with adulthood, because, as I said, we're treating them as adults.
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Calm down, people. Why is it that we seem incapable of discussing a serious discussion like sentient beings, without resorting to fighting or getting personal with each other?
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05-30-2002, 12:13 PM | #115 | |
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No offense, but you basically told Alexander that he's an indirect murderer.[/QUOTE]Silly me, Mel. I did not, nor do i NOW, feel that it was worthy nor merited a reply. Quit trolling, I will not rise to your bait.[/QUOTE]She is not trolling, she is summarizing what you said - that it is somehow my fault (or the fault of people like me) that a friend of yours was murdered. Which I find simply ludicrous, and downright offensive.
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I was NOT trolling, RudeDawg, and I'm very sad that you would think such a thing of me. All I did was paraphrase your post. When you said that because of people like Alexander, other people get murdered, YES, that gave me a right to respond and ask why you would say such a thing. You reaction to me was uncalled for. All I was trying to do was subtly hint that maybe you should give Alexander a break, as you did not know where he was coming from. Instead of realising this, you call me a troll. Now, if you've read Alexander's post, you'll know why I responded why I did. I have never tried to disparage you or your grief, but you condemned my post without noticing that what I was TRYING to point out is that Alexander has gone through a similar ordeal as you.[/QUOTE]Melusine, thank you. I appreciate what you tried to do.
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Based on what you posted, I get the impression that you think that a person's human rights supercede the rights of the nation of which that person is a citizen. Do the human rights of a person who disregards the human rights of others matter? I agree that it may not be our place to play God and determine who lives and who dies, but does not the murderer play God when taking away life? [ 05-30-2002, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: Azred ]
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The death penalty is a case of the punishment fitting the crime, not a matter whether teens should be allowed to smoke and drink before age 18. For the sake of compromise, however, I WILL agree that any 17-year old who receives the death penalty should also receive full access to beer and tobacco during their interment. On a more serious note, I owe you an apology. Based on your original threads, I thought you might be a disgruntled teenager yourself. I humbly apologize for jumping to that conclusion and I am terribly sad to hear about your loss. While I disagree with your views, I admire your conviction and the fact that you are able to maintain that conviction in the face of such a tragic personal loss.
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The Declaration of human rights is supposed to be followed and put into practise by the U.S.A, and yet sadly it does not follow it on key areas. Quote:
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