05-03-2002, 01:47 PM | #171 |
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Please forgive my ignorance, but where in down town Koxville do you need a bolt action 70/30 hunting rifle?
I've been outback shooting buffalo with a 270 remmington but hardly the sort of thing I'd have at my place. my street, my suburb etc. As already stated got nothing against recreational shooters, providing they've got nothing against keeping their weapons IN an Armoury and OTF of my suburb. [ 05-03-2002, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Noble Wolf ]
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05-03-2002, 02:17 PM | #172 | |
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[/QUOTE]No silly. You're presenting the idea that removing firearms literally erases the crime of murder and I'm saying you're full of s#!t. It just reduces the number of firearm related murders. Just like banning swimming reduces the number of drownings, but doesn't affect the total number of accidental deaths significantly because other activities will replace swimming and they too have an associated risk of death! You know what really reduces the number of murders drastically? An adequately staffed police force that does more crime prevention, enforcement and less traffic ticketing! Courts that prosecute violent criminals more effectively and treat them as they're due! It's a shame when the average incarcerated prisoner has more living resources than a US soldier on a tour of duty in the feild! I don't know if you remember the story of the prison overcrowding solution thought up by one radical warden. He bought a bunch of Army tents, sleeping bags, cots, and feild showers. He rationed things like cigarrettes. The result? Overcrowding solved, prisoners mad as hell, crime rate dropped. He made them live uncomfortably. Isn't that the point? Every time enforcement is tightened, crime rates drop. Unfortunately, enforcement costs money and is a lot of work. The political cookie of "gun control" generates revenue and sounds real good in a speech! Now, why do you think one is concentrated on more than the other?
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05-03-2002, 02:21 PM | #173 | |
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I understand that there isn't much regulation of hunting rifles in Australia, nor Hanguns either. Just semi-automatic, pump and machine guns. Here is a link http://www.guncontrol.org.au/top5.html. [ 05-03-2002, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Sir Taliesin ]
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05-03-2002, 02:39 PM | #174 | |
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Although frankly, him getting even one vote would be bad.
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05-03-2002, 02:40 PM | #175 |
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Most of the arguements I have read, most eloquently support that fact that some people strongly believe that they should be allowed to "own" a firearm, I must say that these arguremnets I do now find to be fairly persuasive.
But no-one has convinced me that these firearms should be anywhere other than locked up in an armoury, if not being used for some specific purpose. (note- household defence I still don't see as a justifable purpose) But I also now see that gun control has to take into account the types of firearms ie. sports or hunting rifle versus hand gun. Could I just finally point out,(personal information here) that when I was at Military College one of my juniors, who was in all other aspects considered fairly normal went a little "off" - took some semi-automatic military calibre weapons and proceeded to kill about thirteen or fourteen people in a busy Melbourne street. This chap, I shall always remember; and I really have felt, since then, that maybe, if such firearms were not so readily available that perhaps there might be one or two more innocent people left alive. So if some-one from the pro-gun side could please excuse his actions for me. I believe that I could probably fully support their view from then on. Any takers??? !!!!! My apologies - many typos - 4.30am here!!!!! [ 05-03-2002, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: Noble Wolf ]
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05-03-2002, 03:00 PM | #177 | |
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Listen, I honestly don't believe that you want us to excuse your friends actions. Anybody who could excuse or rationalize his violence should not own a firearm. I for one am certainly not going to even try. He is the reason why gun control is such an issue right now.
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05-03-2002, 03:45 PM | #178 | |
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05-03-2002, 03:52 PM | #179 | |
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Can you americans say the same thing? I don't think you'd even put a foot in this kind of neibourhood in broad daylight. Guns not only give an easy mean to kill people to these small crooks. It also teach them that you feel so "man" when killing. Notice that i'm not using statistics, because i would be lying (this blew me)... heh! why would you need a gun to defend yourself from a "coup d'état"? You will surely be on the tyran's side, thanks to the well organized propaganda and the gullible people.
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