AC and backstabbing

ferro287 · 02-21-2004, 06:25 AM

During my current solo bishop campaign i ran into some unexpected behaviour which i wanted to share/put to discussion. My bishop is planned to get high ac in order to outweigh the pitiful meelee damage output. Usually he something like ac 30 (level 11) consisting of base 6 (robes) + 13 (shield) + 6 (magic items) + 4 (armorplate) + 1 (speed).

With these values level 15 rapax hit me once every 10-15 swings, except concubines which hit (when meeleeing) 3 out of 4 or so. I had already trouble with rattkin goons, since those hit about as often (and for more damage ofc). Now i levelled to 20, tped to arnika to see higardi raiders (level 5!). no prob, best meelee training i thought, but these guys hit me again 3 out of 4 attacks (meelee that is, thrown doesn't touch me). Considering that all aforementioned also get multipliers tt seems that backstabbers completely ignore ac (maybe except the base of 6 for robes).

All those values go for unencumbered, unfatigued, attacks from the front. Things look different with other monsters other wise as well (ofc).

Anyone else noticed this? Does higher base AC (platemail) help against thieves?

Scatter · 02-21-2004, 08:43 AM

Maybe backstabbing circumvents the shield...

Nightowl2 · 02-21-2004, 10:26 AM

That's probably it. You can't block behind you with a shield, unless you could wear it on your back. They may not count speed, either, since you can't react to what you can't see, even if, technically, the opponent is in front.

Nightowl2

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02-21-2004, 06:25 AM	#1
ferro287 Manshoon Join Date: October 27, 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 177	During my current solo bishop campaign i ran into some unexpected behaviour which i wanted to share/put to discussion. My bishop is planned to get high ac in order to outweigh the pitiful meelee damage output. Usually he something like ac 30 (level 11) consisting of base 6 (robes) + 13 (shield) + 6 (magic items) + 4 (armorplate) + 1 (speed). With these values level 15 rapax hit me once every 10-15 swings, except concubines which hit (when meeleeing) 3 out of 4 or so. I had already trouble with rattkin goons, since those hit about as often (and for more damage ofc). Now i levelled to 20, tped to arnika to see higardi raiders (level 5!). no prob, best meelee training i thought, but these guys hit me again 3 out of 4 attacks (meelee that is, thrown doesn't touch me). Considering that all aforementioned also get multipliers tt seems that backstabbers completely ignore ac (maybe except the base of 6 for robes). All those values go for unencumbered, unfatigued, attacks from the front. Things look different with other monsters other wise as well (ofc). Anyone else noticed this? Does higher base AC (platemail) help against thieves?

02-21-2004, 08:43 AM	#2
Scatter Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 17, 2003 Location: Portland Age: 65 Posts: 1,336	Maybe backstabbing circumvents the shield...

02-21-2004, 10:26 AM	#3
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	That's probably it. You can't block behind you with a shield, unless you could wear it on your back. They may not count speed, either, since you can't react to what you can't see, even if, technically, the opponent is in front. Nightowl2

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