Reagan voted Greatest Living American!

[norompanlasolas]

Originally posted by MagiK: Sorry Noro, still don't see how laughing at terrible tragedy is a good thing. You're gonna have to work harder for me to see how that is acceptable. I wouldn't even laugh at you if you got the clap. Irreverence and comedy are fine in the right places, laughing at mortal wounds, pain and suffering or disease is not funny, ever. You may find some day that what you sow, you also reap. As for my sounding like a liberal, perhaps I don't fit quite so neatly into any one particular box.

hmm... well, you have a good point there, and perhaps it was a bit too much. i wont make fun of it anymore.

edit: oh, and mel, i read your post and also understood your views. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 12-16-2002, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: norompanlasolas ]

[Night Stalker]

About Ronnie being the greatest living American, his greatest achievement ever was
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his contribution of his likeness and characature(sp?) to Spitting Images!!! I loved that show!

[Sir Taliesin]

Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer: Great! Thatcher will be arriving at your place tomorrow. Just look for a toxic waste canister

Heck! We'll make that trade any day! Send her on! You all can have Bill Clinton! Just remember to mind your women over there! Oh, BTW, We don't need the Toxic Waste Cannister. You can keep that.

Originally posted by Attalus: Since I do not agree with your interpretation of the events mentioned, Eisenschwartz, my answer remains the same: I do not regret a bit either of my votes for him. In fact, I am proud of them. Bardan, Billy C. will be arriving at your house tomorrow morning. Don't ask too many questions about the woman withhim.

Could you please then explain how RR did not subvert democracy by participating in the Contra Affair?
Could you also justify RR’s backing of a genocidal government?

From that I can only sadly conclude that you support the subversion of democracy and are not very concerned about genocide.

Originally posted by khazadman: The fact that Maggie Thatcher is not liked in the UK doesn't mean much. Hell, the Brits voted Princess Di the second greatest brit of the last thousand years. And damn right we'd take Mrs. Thatcher for Bill Clinton. He's not worth the up keep that's required.

Given that she was The Ruler of UK, And We have seen first hand the Dreadful effects of her rule, I’d say that means everything.

HTH.

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Dramnek, I have not engaged any of your evidence because you didn't provide any. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oh?
I guess anything which criticises reagan must be false then.
All, Are Well known historical facts.

RR's Support for Death Squads in guatamala:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ro...Guatemala.html

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/47/160.html

Iran Contra Affair, RR's Lying to congress and the American people:

http://www127.pair.com/critical/myth-07.htm

http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/aae/side/irancon.html

http://hallbiography.com/index.php/M.../299922/page/1

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: You provided your opinion of events, and all of your opinions are IMHO completely anti-US, conspiracy laden ramblings.

Attempting to marginalize and dismiss opposing views eh?
I'd say your opinion of events is a sanataised and history denying gloss.
RR supported Death Squads,
He lied to congress and the American people.
If you think that’s okay or support that fine,
But Please Don't try to make out that those things never happened or that those actions make him a “great” man, Since usually Great people don’t support or commit evil actions by the common definition of the word.

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: You can think what you want about Reagan and his presidency, but if you say that I think "massacre, genocide, torture and human rights violations are good" because I think Reagan was a good president, I'll tell you that that idea is pure, complete, and utter crap. You not only show your disgust for a subject, but you have a nasty habit of heaping that disgust on anyone who disagrees with your views.

I suggest the Doctor Heals himself, you label anyone who disagrees with your views, I quote; "completely anti-US, conspiracy laden ramblings"
You see, by that, you are attempting to dismiss them before even engaging them or encourageing others to do the same.
Note also, that By saying Anti-Us you are trying to imply that I am agaist the People of the USA, I am ceratainly not,
I am against Leaders who abuse their power, who support things that I consider moraly wrong, Like the murder of innocents or the subversion of democracy.
If you consider those OK... Well, I can't do much about that.

Originally posted by Lord of Alcohol: quote: Originally posted by Eisenschwarz: quote: Originally posted by Attalus: [QB]LOL, I shall vote for Reagen if he runs for President, again.[QB]

Ahh, Now, His actions as president include Supporting Genocide and massacres in Guatemala and subverting democracy in the Iran Contra affair right?

You know this, Thus by knowingly voting for him, you would be supporting these things (since they were part of his policy and actions) should he run again.[/QUOTE]I would vote for him, alzhiemers and all, if he would sign the order to drop a 2000 pound satelite guided bomb directly on your house. Have a nice day. [/QUOTE]Your support for a man who supports Death squads and who subverts democracy saddens me.
It seems So many people have little conscience or care for other humans nowadays. (

SOY.

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: quote: Originally posted by Eisenschwarz: quote: Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: quote: Originally posted by Eisenschwarz: F**k Me

There has never been much we agreed on, but I can agree with this part of your post...lol. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]You Offering? ;o)[/QUOTE]Thanks, but no. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Another time then big boy ;oD

TIA.

[Ronn_Bman]

No Dramnek, anything that criticizes Reagan does not have to be false. I never said the man was perfect, but I am entitled to my beliefs that he was a great president, just as you are entitled to think he is the anti-Christ if you’d like.

You listed lots of links and you are entitled to believe those if you chose, but your linked site's magazine articles and book excerpts that offer an alternative view(one of your site's descriptions of their offerings, not mine) aren't something I found truthful or compelling. I’m not really interested in the books and video tapes they’re selling and even less interested in the reviews, excerpts and discussions. Certainly you are entitled to enjoy them, but by the same token, I don’t have to believe it.

Original Posted By Dramnek: Marginalize and dismiss opposing views eh?

The pot calling the kettle black, eh?

I think we can agree that I don’t have a very high regard for your opinion, and you don’t have a very high regard for mine, but the problem continues to be….

Originally Posted By Dramnek: I'd say your opinion of events is a sanitized and history denying gloss. RR supported Death Squads, He lied to congress and the American people. If you think that’s okay or support that fine, But Please Don't try to make out that those things never happened or that those actions make him a “great” man, since usually Great people don’t support or commit evil actions by the common definition of the word.

That you think you are completely right, and anyone who believes differently is completely wrong. As if you are somehow an authority. In the process, you don’t mind telling others what they should think regarding the subject. You believe those things, but I don’t. Lot’s of people don’t believe them Dramnek. You aren’t speaking some great truth the world is waiting to hear.

You don’t discuss issues; you preach your philosophy and chastise anyone who dares to disagree with you.

Suggesting that I can think death squads and a president lying to the American people is ok or even support it if I'd like, but that I can’t believe these things didn’t happen isn’t “marginalizing and dismissing opposing views? ”. Am I suppose to believe everything you tell me? Are you the final authority?

You can find lots of links to anti-government sites, and I can find lots of links to pro-Reagan sites, but it doesn’t prove anything because neither of us will ever know these things for an absolute fact because neither of us will ever know his thoughts or be privy to actual evidence. We both have access to media sources, I’ll believe mine and you’ll believe yours.

I suggest the Doctor Heals himself, you label anyone who disagrees with your views, I quote; "completely anti-US, conspiracy laden ramblings" You see, by that, you are attempting to dismiss them before even engaging them or encouraging others to do the same. Note also, that by saying Anti-Us you are trying to imply that I am against the People of the USA, I am certainly not.

Dammit Jim, I'm an Ironworker, not a doctor!

No I don’t label anyone who disagrees with me in the manner above. You’re the only one who’s gotten that designation.

You think my “ opinion of events has a sanitized and history denying gloss”, and yes, I think yours are completely anti-US, conspiracy laden ramblings. I’d say your “I’m right and everyone who believes differently is not only wrong, but stupid and immoral” does more to dismiss your ideas than anything I could say about them.

So you’re not anti-US? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

Just "anti" US government, it’s officials, and it's actions, but only anti-US citizens who actually find some good in government and don’t believe what you’re preaching?

Originally Posted By Dramnek: I am against Leaders who abuse their power, who support things that I consider morally wrong, like the murder of innocents or the subversion of democracy. If you consider those OK... Well, I can't do much about that

Is this another example of the “marginalizing and dismissal of opposing views” you mentioned earlier? [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

[ 12-17-2002, 08:47 AM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Eisenschwarz: Your support for a man who supports Death squads and who subverts democracy saddens me. It seems So many people have little conscience or care for other humans nowadays. [img]redface.gif[/img] ( SOY.

Again, it's only your opinion that Reagan supported death squads and subverted Democracy, but absolutely nothing gives you the right to question LofA's conscience or his care for other human beings. This is what I'm talking about Dramnek.

What gives you the right to judge anyone?

LofA believes your opinion on Ronald Reagan is wrong. He has a different opinion, so what exactly gives you the right to judge his morals? Your perceptions of Ronald Reagan?

You act as if you are some "all knowing, all seeing, wiseman" here to show the world it's wrongs.

Seems "marginalizing and dismissive" to me.

[ 12-16-2002, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]