01-23-2002, 11:06 PM | #141 |
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quote: Yorick, We're a nation of "nut cases",where I'm from we are proud of them we bring them out in the parlor and parade'em around.
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01-24-2002, 05:39 AM | #142 |
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Wow you guys! My hat's off to you for responding so civilly and reasonably to a post founded on such prejudice and ignorance. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
FWIW, not everybody in Europe thinks about it this way, as I'm sure you all know [img]smile.gif[/img] Oh and Tarox, don't you think that since paganism existed before America did, your assumptions are illogical to say the least?
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01-24-2002, 07:21 AM | #143 |
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quote: And I will do this the Swedish style! quote: Hmm, well we started alot of crap over here too you know.. USA may have most of the "christian varieties" of churches though, and donīt forget, there are alot of americans represented here, so a bit more non-generalisation could be in order perhaps?? Not dizzing you man, but well.. Tread lightly in a minefield and you might make it through and all that.. Well Paganism and wicca is far from American you know.. Hehe, how long since the we europeans howled to the moon had druids in Ireland? Sacrificed goats to see the future? Paganism are a sort of "nature" religion and we have alot of that here in Europe as well. My advice. Open your eyes a bit more, maybe your neighbour isnīt just going to buy cigarettes in that outfit! Here in Sweden we have alot of people praying to the old Asa gods, some runs naked in the moon howling to the spirits, some sit and meditate close to the coast, some burn RPGīs and screams about the devil taken control of the government (not sure they are too far off on that actually ) quote: Read more of the religious threads here.. Just a suggestion..
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01-27-2002, 07:25 AM | #144 |
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quote: And I'll be rational 1) Wicca (neo-pagan witchcraft) was revived/recreated by a group of British people. In fact there's quite a few pagans in the Uk. 2)Paganism is not a cult. I can't think of any group of people who are less likely to blindly follow the words of a supreme leader. Most pagans are very individual thinkers who don't like being told what to believe. 3)America isn't all bad. they give us the simpsons and Buffy.What more can we ask of them? |
01-27-2002, 08:46 AM | #145 |
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quote: I think Neb was coming from a consequentialist viewpoint. The end result is the important thing i.e. how the teachings effect the world through your actions. This is also how I would view Christs impact on peoples lives, the important thing is how they act in the knowldege of those teachings, not how they understand them. That may sound woolly, but it is difficult to explain via a keyboard. There are many interpretaions of Christ and even the most abhorent, to me, will earn my respect if it leads to good deads from its followers. That is simply my opinion Yorick and I am prepared for you to disagree with me, but please do so in the knowldege that I am not attacking you personally. I just think we have different views of Christianity's impact on peoples lives.
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01-27-2002, 06:04 PM | #146 |
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quote: Fair enough Barry. I have no quarrel with you. [img]smile.gif[/img] |
01-27-2002, 06:10 PM | #147 |
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quote: Speak for yourself . I'm British and don't share your viewpoint entirely, especially given my own Shamanic view of things Defining a releigion is tricky. I don't know where a sect/cult would end and a full religion begin. Is it the number of followers or how widespread it is maybe? |
01-27-2002, 06:27 PM | #148 |
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quote: The definition for cult was vague, but sect said this: sect: Pronunciation: 'sekt Function: noun Etymology: Middle English secte, from Middle French & Late Latin & Latin; Middle French, group, sect, from Late Latin secta organized ecclesiastical body, from Latin, course of action, way of life, probably from sectari to pursue, frequentative of sequi to follow Date: 14th century 1 a : a dissenting or schismatic religious body; especially : one regarded as extreme or heretical b : a religious denomination 2 archaic : SEX 1 3 a : a group adhering to a distinctive doctrine or to a leader I prefer definition 1 that I bolded. A sect is relative to the religion it branches away from. Jehovahs Witnesses is considered a sect by every other christian denomination for example, because it's doctrine and practice is fundamentally different to mainline christianity. A cult on the other hand, need not be affiliated with any major religion, but is centred around a personality. A leader. Normally that leader excercises considerable mental control of the adherants, much, much more than a Guru, Yogi, Priest, Monk, Pastor or spiritual mentor would. It is both the controlling aspect, and the pivotal personality that end up defining a cult, ala David Koresh's Branch Davidian, Rev. Sun Moon's 'Moonies' and the 'Orange People' to name a few.... well barely any really I suppose you could call Al Qa'eda a cultlike sect using those definitions. Thus Paganism is not a cult. It is not even a religion, but a grouping of various religions and beliefs of similar ethos and worldview under one umbrella definition. |
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