Smoking Ban

[WillowIX]

Originally posted by Lord Dracon: Interesting fact If all the tobbaco crops in the world were replaced with grain (or some other food) then you could feed all the starving people in africa for about half a year. P.S. Can't really remember it accurately, but there's something for you to think about

I believe we already have a surplus of grain large enough. Don't forget our almighty god "money" though. As it is today farmers get paid to not grow crops.

John-bon, if a smoking ban, not only in bars, was in place you would save plenty of money. So wouls evryone else. And of course your health would improve. You could actually drink more beer to compensate. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[johnny]

I don't care about saving money, i would only be spending it on other "useless" things. All i want is a smoke from time to time.

[ 05-11-2003, 06:32 AM: Message edited by: johnny ]

[WillowIX]

Originally posted by johnny: I don't care about saving money, i would only be spending it on other "useless" things. All i want is a smoke from time to time.

I meant taxes silly. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Medical expenses for smokers are through the roof. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[LordKathen]

What do you think of this. I have mostly reframed from this thread becouse it is a very touchy subject for me. I loose my temper to easily and dont want to offend anyone, so I am cheating and just posting a link that might make you think... http://www.jeremiahproject.com/smoke/corrupt.html

[Mordenheim]

"The underlying philosophy at work here is that the end justifies the means; that since a smoke-free society is deemed to be a worthy goal, manipulation of data and even lies are permissible in achieving it."


I think that is the cold hard truth. Just look through no offense the ignorance in this thread. I have heard the word "kill" and "death" but not one single case shown. However I can provide proof for everything I mentioned. Including smog causing life ending diseases. I mean if you want to debate then do it honestly.

Second hand smoke does NOT kill. I have yet seen any REAL proof that it does anything except bother people with asthma who already have trouble breathing. Show me the evidence and make sure it can be verified. Past that I got a special prize for the first person who can show ONE single person killed from second hand smoke.

This is side stepping the entire issue of FORCING someone to abide by rules in it's own place of ownership. Something using logic I disagree with entirely.

[Animal]

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by Animal: Personally, as a non smoker, I think a public smoking ban is unnecessary in the majority of cases, with perhaps the exception of certain hospitality industries. You walk into a bar, sit down, order a drink and light up a cigarette. Okay, you're an adult, you know what smoking does to you and it's your choice. Unfortunately your waitress doesn't have that choice and is forced to inhale second hand smoke. That isn't fair. Here in BC, WCB attempted to institute a smoking ban in late 2001, early 2002, but it didn't last long. It's interesting to note that the majority supported such legislation. http://www.cleanaircoalitionbc.com/N...000AngReid.pdf I choose not to smoke, and I also choose not to frequent establishments that allow smoking. That's my choice to do so, but I don't need legislation to tell me that. I will simply not support those business that allow smoking with my money.

Doesn't that waiteress have the choice to accept the job or not at a business where it is common knowledge that smoking goes on? Is not the waiteress also an adult? I know in the state of Alabama you MUST be 21 to work in a bar, I'll bet you every other state in the Union has the same type of laws.

You are correct to make the choice not or to go any business that alows smoking. That's the key personal responsability, but the anit-smoking nazi's want to make the choice for you, Oh they'll be the first to piss'n'moun if they were forced to make a choice differant then they wanted to make. [/QUOTE]The waitress? Perhaps she's a single mom, trying to raise two kids and that's the only job she could find that pays well enough to keep her off social assistance. I think this is a case of the good of the many outway the good of the few.

Knowing what we know about tobacco and the danger of second hand smoke, not to mention the burden it puts on our health care system, I feel we need to protect those who can't protect themselves.

Incidently, I believe you have the right to smoke if you wish, I'm not an advocate for taking that away, but I feel we all need to be responsible and understand just what that smoking does to other people. If you're a smoker and a go to your house, then I accept the fact that I will be subject to second hand smoke, because it's your house. Come to my house and light up...You'll be out on year ear faster than you can say Marlboro.

[Animal]

Originally posted by Stormymystic: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Mordenheim: The bigger picture is a political correct America that has you in jail for sneezing.

But does nothing if you kill someone with secondhand smoke? [/QUOTE]do you drive a car yoric? or ride a bus? or even light a fire? do you buy from companies that make plastic? guess what everything here kills people everyday, smog, toxins from plastics wood burning causes just as much carbon-dioxide as cigs do and lest not forget the oil that when burned poluttes the air we breath, non- smokers do just as much if not more than smokers do to distroy the planet, all we do is enjoy a smoke once and a while, and when i drink or play pool, i like to smoke [/QUOTE]Wood doesn't contain arsenic, tar, Formaldehyde, hydrogen cyanide, benzene...the list goes on and on. Nobody is saying you can't smoke, but we'd like the smokers to be responsible and understand the damage that second hand smoke causes. What's wrong with stepping outside for a quick puff, while your at a bar. A few of my friends smoke, and when we go out, they don't smoke around me, they go outside out of courtesy. (That and they know I'll whip their a$$es if they do )

[Animal]

Originally posted by johnny: I don't care about saving money, i would only be spending it on other "useless" things. All i want is a smoke from time to time.

And that's your right to do so, as long as you understand the consequences, but having said that, here in Canada a non-smoker and a smoker pay the same premium for health care. I feel that health care premiums should be based upon "risk factors," much as some places (I believe) in the US do. If you're a smoker, you're going to pay more for health care.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Animal: quote: Originally posted by johnny: I don't care about saving money, i would only be spending it on other "useless" things. All i want is a smoke from time to time.

And that's your right to do so, as long as you understand the consequences, but having said that, here in Canada a non-smoker and a smoker pay the same premium for health care. I feel that health care premiums should be based upon "risk factors," much as some places (I believe) in the US do. If you're a smoker, you're going to pay more for health care. [/QUOTE]Nice one, but that too doesn't hold any water. You drive a car, right ? Well, you should pay more to healthcare than i do, since i have less chance to end up in the hospital than you do when you're driving.

Doesn't make any sense ? I know, but neither did your comment.

[john]

I smoked for over 20 yrs and quit cause I felt like it.And now after the ban of smoking in bars my clothes don't stink when I get home!If I was still smoking I guess I would be as mad as when I get a ticket for not wearing my seatbelt(my pet pieve)!!I still feel if your gonna smoke make sure what your smoken gets you high!