05-29-2003, 08:36 PM | #21 | |
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Well, if I were King of the forest...no one would get free health care, or free anything...once people start getting things "given" to them, then they loose appreciation for what it cost and what its true value is. Children at school should be covered by their parents......NOW....we get to a sticky situation here....there is concern for the public safety...in which infectious diseases need to be stopped..so innoculations/vacinations should be provided by the government since under the constitution it is covered under the "Public good" phrases. Prenatal care? hmmmm perhaps if it can be shown that good prenatal care will cost the tax payer less in the future by creating healthier children....but again you have to live within your budget as a govenrment and so may not be able to fund everything you would like...The first and formost duty and function of the Federal government is National Defense...that should be your biggest ticket item, along with things like interstate roads and infrastructure projects....And being a rather rich successful nation, we may actually set up some sort of fund to help out those in need, but it would not be through a compulsory income tax...forcibly taking money from someone to give to someone else is just wrong...as is spending more than you have to run your government. |
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05-30-2003, 02:40 AM | #22 |
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So despite the danger of being off topic How can someone retired age 70 afford a heart operation. no money no op? or children who never suffer because there parents are without money and are hesitent about the cost of taking their kid to the doctors. no I guess that it never happens!
Why does the richest nation on earth, spend more time crying about paying tax, throws billions away to grease the palms of the rich, and yet cannot even provide universal health care for its own people? What is the point in tax cuts or money if you aint got your health? what is the point in being rich if the person next to you in the street is suffering from something that can easily be cured? bleedin heart I may be but bleedin obvious is the answer
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LOL - that second sentence was spoken like a true lawyer - but yes, if I am due a deuction I take it [img]smile.gif[/img] - what I was referring to were all the shonky accounting schemes and shelves and shysters that people employ in the pursuit of avoiding paying tax.
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Just to get my [img]graemlins/2cents.gif[/img] in on public healthcare. I think a minimum amount of health care should be available to all Americans. While I understand the need to let people keep as much of their earnings as possible, I think free basic health care far supercedes many "public aid" programs we currently have. I see it as a public health and safety issue: in short basic minimum healthcare is in my mind akin to police protections -- letting everyone live with some modicum of safety and security. I think it's more relevant welfare than food stamps, for instance, or AFDC (which is good in theory but troubled in practice).
Now, in the US there are a few things people may not understand about health care. Unless, I'm mistaken, a Dr. cannot refuse to treat a patient -- even if that patient is $10K behind in paying his/her bills. As well, there are numerous free (or VERY cheap) clinics all over the USA that provide many basic services. Finally, insurance. This is supposed to solve it in theory. I must admit, I go to the dentist and don't pay one red cent. Of course, I'm on my wife's very nice government employee insurance policy. The problem is that not all employers offer group insurance policies and that insurance companies treat you like s**t if you don't have a group policy. I think a lot of the USA's health care woes stem not from privatization of health care, but from the insurance companies holding so much power over employers, doctors, and the insured. For instance, and Attalus might be kind enough to confirm this, a doctor wanting to perform surgery on a patient typically has to make sure the operation is covered under insurance. It may be common knowledge that it will be, but in many instances, the Dr's staff must call up the insurer and ask if it is covered. So, the question as to whether or not a patient *needs* a surgery falls not to the Dr. but rather to some snotty-nosed 19-yr-old who works for a subcontractor fielding phone calls for the insurance company and cross-referencing Dr. requests with some matrix of "covered surgeries." [img]graemlins/dontknowaboutyou.gif[/img] |
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Yo! TL...what you said [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] I agree with the Insruance racket stuff...it is crazy. |
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