Lowest THAC0 ever!

The Fallen One · 09-28-2003, 03:42 AM

how much was the lowest THAC0 any of the characters u created got?list class and equipments used.My kensai had -10 THAC0 but i dont remember what equip. he was using....

Faceman · 09-28-2003, 04:01 AM

Well, the lowest possible permanent THAC0 in plain SoA should be:
Fighter lvl 19: 2
wielding Crom Faeyr: -12 (-5 normal and -7 for strenghth)
Gauntlets of Weapon Skill: -1
Helm of Balduran: -1

So 2-12-1-1= -12

[ 09-28-2003, 04:02 AM: Message edited by: Faceman ]

JrKASperov · 09-28-2003, 06:12 AM

Faceman forgot Kensai or Archer bonuses.
-12 - 6(kensai bonus)=-18

For the archer, the only thing that would change is the weapons, so:
Archer lvl 17(?): 4
wielding Heartseeker: -3
Gauntlets of Weapon Skill: -1
Helm of Balduran: -1
Arrows of piercing: -4
19 Dex: -3
Archer bonuses: -6

Total: -14

Faceman · 09-28-2003, 08:41 AM

Your partly right JrKASperov.
Some corrections:
For the archer I'd go with Bracers of Archery instead of Gauntlets of Weapon also Heartseekr only gives THAC0 -2 so your better off with Gesen Bow or Elven Courtbow or Mana Bow (all -4) and Arrows of Piercing (-4). And we have to include the DEX boni.
Kensai can't wear bracers or gauntlets and can't wear helmets so we have to go with the Plae Green Ioun Stone.
I also forgot the proficiency boni, so rewrite:
.
Kensai lvl 19: 2
Kensai boni: -6
Pale Green Ioun Stone: -1
GrandMastery Warhammers: -3
Crom Faeyr: -5
Crom Faeyr Strenght: -7
-20
.
Normal Fighter lvl 19: 2
GrandMastery Warhammers: -3
Crom Faeyr: -5
Crom Faeyr Strenght: -7
Gauntlets of Weapon Skill: -1
Helm of Balduran: -1
-15
.
Elven Archer lvl17: 4
Archer boni: -5
GrandMastery Longbows: -3
Mana Bow +4: -4
Arrows of Piercing: -4
Bracers of Archery: -2
Helm of Balduran: -1
19 DEX bonus: -3 (if you got the Tome from BG1 you can get to 20 but that makes no difference)
-18

[ 09-28-2003, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Faceman ]

Raistlin Majere · 09-28-2003, 03:56 PM

'cept, faceman, the heartseeker gives a +4 thaco and +2 bonus to damage...

SixOfSpades · 09-28-2003, 06:32 PM

The Heartseeker also casts "Armor Piercing Strike," once per day, which lowers your THAC0 by 7 points for 10 seconds, IIRC.

Faceman · 09-29-2003, 01:59 AM

you're right about the Heartseeker but that doesn't change the calc as Mana Bow has the same THAC0 bonus.
And to comment on it.
While an Archer with the mentioned equipment would be cool and somehow realistic I'd think it a break of roleplaying to have a Kensai wielding a Dwarven Warhammer. So I guess unless you powergame you won't get to -20 in plain SoA.

Leslie · 09-29-2003, 04:23 AM

With a certain scimitar you can get your THAC0 -10 bonus for a while - but that's another (TOB) story.

Faceman · 09-29-2003, 06:23 AM

and with a certain HLA you don't have to care about THAC0 because your next hit is critical.

09-28-2003, 03:42 AM	#1
The Fallen One Elminster Join Date: September 25, 2003 Location: In The Darkness... Age: 37 Posts: 442	how much was the lowest THAC0 any of the characters u created got?list class and equipments used.My kensai had -10 THAC0 but i dont remember what equip. he was using.... __________________ [img]\"http://ox.wit.edu/~pokharela/exermv4.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />--------------------<br /> [img]\"http://ox.wit.edu/~pokharela/kana.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

09-28-2003, 04:01 AM	#2
Faceman Hathor Join Date: February 18, 2002 Location: Vienna Age: 42 Posts: 2,248	Well, the lowest possible permanent THAC0 in plain SoA should be: Fighter lvl 19: 2 wielding Crom Faeyr: -12 (-5 normal and -7 for strenghth) Gauntlets of Weapon Skill: -1 Helm of Balduran: -1 So 2-12-1-1= -12 [ 09-28-2003, 04:02 AM: Message edited by: Faceman ] __________________ \"I am forever spellbound by the frailty of life\"<br /><br /> Faceman

09-28-2003, 06:12 AM	#3
JrKASperov Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 16, 2003 Location: Wa\'eni\'n Age: 38 Posts: 1,701	Faceman forgot Kensai or Archer bonuses. -12 - 6(kensai bonus)=-18 For the archer, the only thing that would change is the weapons, so: Archer lvl 17(?): 4 wielding Heartseeker: -3 Gauntlets of Weapon Skill: -1 Helm of Balduran: -1 Arrows of piercing: -4 19 Dex: -3 Archer bonuses: -6 Total: -14 __________________ God is in the rain.

09-28-2003, 08:41 AM	#4
Faceman Hathor Join Date: February 18, 2002 Location: Vienna Age: 42 Posts: 2,248	Your partly right JrKASperov. Some corrections: For the archer I'd go with Bracers of Archery instead of Gauntlets of Weapon also Heartseekr only gives THAC0 -2 so your better off with Gesen Bow or Elven Courtbow or Mana Bow (all -4) and Arrows of Piercing (-4). And we have to include the DEX boni. Kensai can't wear bracers or gauntlets and can't wear helmets so we have to go with the Plae Green Ioun Stone. I also forgot the proficiency boni, so rewrite: . Kensai lvl 19: 2 Kensai boni: -6 Pale Green Ioun Stone: -1 GrandMastery Warhammers: -3 Crom Faeyr: -5 Crom Faeyr Strenght: -7 -20 . Normal Fighter lvl 19: 2 GrandMastery Warhammers: -3 Crom Faeyr: -5 Crom Faeyr Strenght: -7 Gauntlets of Weapon Skill: -1 Helm of Balduran: -1 -15 . Elven Archer lvl17: 4 Archer boni: -5 GrandMastery Longbows: -3 Mana Bow +4: -4 Arrows of Piercing: -4 Bracers of Archery: -2 Helm of Balduran: -1 19 DEX bonus: -3 (if you got the Tome from BG1 you can get to 20 but that makes no difference) -18 [ 09-28-2003, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Faceman ] __________________ \"I am forever spellbound by the frailty of life\"<br /><br /> Faceman

09-28-2003, 03:56 PM	#5
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 36 Posts: 2,323	'cept, faceman, the heartseeker gives a +4 thaco and +2 bonus to damage... __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

09-28-2003, 06:32 PM	#6
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 46 Posts: 6,901	The Heartseeker also casts "Armor Piercing Strike," once per day, which lowers your THAC0 by 7 points for 10 seconds, IIRC. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

09-29-2003, 01:59 AM	#7
Faceman Hathor Join Date: February 18, 2002 Location: Vienna Age: 42 Posts: 2,248	you're right about the Heartseeker but that doesn't change the calc as Mana Bow has the same THAC0 bonus. And to comment on it. While an Archer with the mentioned equipment would be cool and somehow realistic I'd think it a break of roleplaying to have a Kensai wielding a Dwarven Warhammer. So I guess unless you powergame you won't get to -20 in plain SoA. __________________ \"I am forever spellbound by the frailty of life\"<br /><br /> Faceman

09-29-2003, 04:23 AM	#8
Leslie Baaz Draconian Join Date: February 28, 2003 Location: SLO Age: 52 Posts: 737	With a certain scimitar you can get your THAC0 -10 bonus for a while - but that's another (TOB) story. __________________ I grow tired of shouting battle cries when fighting this mage. Boo will finish his eyeballs once and for all, so he does not rise again. Evil, meet my sword! SWORD, MEET EVIL!<br />- Minsc

09-29-2003, 06:23 AM	#9
Faceman Hathor Join Date: February 18, 2002 Location: Vienna Age: 42 Posts: 2,248	and with a certain HLA you don't have to care about THAC0 because your next hit is critical. __________________ \"I am forever spellbound by the frailty of life\"<br /><br /> Faceman

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