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Actually, almost everything in the Kerry resume is true. Never heard anuthing about his dual citizenship though. Sounds kind of far fetched to me. That should be the kind of thing that would keep one from being elected president.
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I can only offer some countering information to a few of these areas, but I will do what I can to help shed a little extra light (and perspective) on these statistics.
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Here is the link to the Snopes page about this ---> Bush Resume' [ 08-23-2004, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: Cerek the Barbaric ]
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I can think of a really good reason to re-elect Bush, if you're not a Republican: The Republicans won't have anyone to run who can stand up to the Poodle or to the Feminazi in 2008.
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08-23-2004, 03:32 PM | #15 |
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Oblivion, that's such a long reply, I cannot begin to read it all.
However, I think that I did come across one error. IIRC, there was a US budget surplus more recent than FDR (not even sure if FDR had a surplus, at that). IIRC, Richard Nixon had one budget surplus during his tenure. I'm not aware of any specific effort to generate a surplus. I think that it may have just been some sort of spike in tax revenues during a particularly strong economic year. |
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Well, thanks for all the responses, especially the ones that weren't more of the "I know you are but what am I?" crapola.
It's interesting to note that the responses in politically-themed posts run so similar in nearly every forum, with the rare reasoned attempts to address the issue, some instant knee-jerk rebuttals, the occasional poster who completely misses the point, and the non-sequitors that we just can't seem to live without. Why is it that a subject so critical to us all gets treated so shabbily, is given such short shrift? Questions that should be of grave concern are passed over in favor of sound bites and sensational accusations, thoughtful debate crumbles under name-calling and flame-baiting. Have we lost our perspective on politics, dizzy from all the spinning of an election year, or are we just becoming numb to the whole show, content with our bread and circuses? |
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Wouldn't matter how may Clinton write-ins there were. He simply cannot ever become president again without a change to the Constitution.
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It's kinda like me opening with a post calling the Mariners a bunch of lazy, worthless, irresponsible scum bums - then wondering why you don't want to discuss the issue of how horribly commercialized professional baseball (and other sports) has become. For instance, I fully agree (and have often stated on this very forum), that Bush's biggest flaw is his complete lack of diplomacy. We did have global sympathy and support on 9/12/2001 - and Bush did manage to piss the vast majority of that goodwill and global community spirit away in less than 18 months. Like I said before, that has got to be some kind of record (and not a very good one). But many of the assertions in the resume' are either blantantly false or grossly misleading. Yeah, it's done mostly "tongue-in-cheek", but it is still going to provoke strong defensive reactions from those that support or like Bush. If you want a serious and thought-provoking discussion, then you need to find a source that presents the issues in a more even-handed and/or neutral manner.
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