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If you're gonna buy guns to defend yourself anyway, what use is the police? Or the FBI? Or the rest of the law enforcement people? They're not necessary then, you've got the guns yourself. YOU go take care of your precious law. No, the reason for the law enforcement people is that they can be TRUSTED with the guns so that THEY can defend you and your loved ones. And there's noone to stop anyone from taking advantage of us, most of the time we can't even stop it ourselves. And the few times when we can guns probably won't help us. The pen IS mightier than the sword, the gun and all of the other weapons. *sigh* People complain about religious fanatics..... That's close to what some of you are, defending fanatically your "right" to bear arms and "defend yourselves". |
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04-30-2002, 03:38 PM | #23 | |
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04-30-2002, 03:38 PM | #24 |
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I, personally, have no need or use for guns; thus, there is no reason for me to own one. Besides, since belle and I have a sprout I wouldn't have one in the house.
On the other hand, we are guaranteed in the Constitution that "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed", so if someone wants to own a gun (or any other "arms", for that matter) then they may. Banning all guns will drive guns underground (hence the origin of that famous NRA saying) yet will not stop violence or diminish crime in any way. Forbidding weapons on Okinawa led directly to the development of karate on that island; if anything, banning guns will cause a rise in the use of other weapons. When "concealed carry" became a reality in Texas, some people were suggesting that we would soon see gunfights in the streets as if it were 1850 again; this has never happened. In fact, I can recall no instance in which someone misused their concealed-carry permit and subsequently had the permit revoked. Responsible adults do not "shoot first and ask questions later".
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04-30-2002, 03:41 PM | #25 |
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[/qb][/QUOTE]Umm....correct me if I am wrong but most countries seem to rely on police and the army.[/qb][/QUOTE]Certainly! They'll be there when it's all done and over to take the report and start the investigation of who killed or raped you. Is one assigned to your house? Do you have one dutifully follow you about, just in case?
Another thought. Should a bad turn occur in our government, does the army take orders from you and your neighbors? The occurance is unlikely, I agree. But who should be there to stop it if they render the populus impotent by disarmament and the removing of the constitutional rights? Bad regimes ALWAYS start with actions of this sort. The first thing Hitler did was collect up all the guns! [ 04-30-2002, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Sir Kenyth ]
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04-30-2002, 03:46 PM | #26 |
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Can I ask something please... Can you please not quote all of the quotes that were quoted before you... Quote the parts which are essential to what you have to say, or quote one person so that we'll know who you're replying to. It's so simple to delete some quotes when you're posting...
It's really annoying to see all those quotes... And it's a waste of space. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Thanks.
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04-30-2002, 03:49 PM | #27 |
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as a paramedic i see both sides of this arguement because i deal with it everyday.i have ran calls where a child was shot while playing with a gun,and a veriedy of other calls that i dont have time to write about and i have seen ppl who have had no chose but to shot an intruder in there home.
i can say i feel alot safer knowing there are several guns in my house that i have tought my wife to shot and will teach my kids to do when the are old enough to learn responseably,and the very first thing they will learn,and the very first rule in gun safty,is NEVER point a gun at anything you dont intind to KILL.that is the best way to have true gun control in addition it is literally a Balance of power.if the bad guys know we dont have any guns and they do they will think nothing of coming into your home and terrorizing you,and the police cant get there soon enough in that situation!on the other hand if they know you have at least one gun they will not so quickly come into a house that there is a possability of them geting shot or killed they arent that brave. and has much as i pains me to do so think about 9-11-01!if some passangers had guns and the terrorist tried to take a plane they would have been out nummbered and out gunned!simple numbers. 5 vs.100 the terrorist would have had to find another way to try to bring terror to this great land of ours and this is also why i compleatly agree with having at least 3 armed marshalls on every plane. so to say it simply i beleave that we should all be responsable gun owners and support gun laws and NOT gun "control" in everyarea of this great world of ours! |
04-30-2002, 03:55 PM | #28 |
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The problem with guns in planes is that one stray bullet can puncture the hull and lead to some problems with air pressure.... Also, if you're unarmed you're more likely to just be knocked out or beat up a bit by a criminal. If you've got a gun he will probably think, "It's him or me!" and shoot you immediately. So what's your choice? Kill or get killed? Or just getting beat up a bit?
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04-30-2002, 03:56 PM | #29 | |
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I answered a similar post Neb. The police are great. They can't be everywhere at once. They'll be there when it's all over and done with and take the report. Maybe they'll even catch whoever killed you and raped your loved ones. Did you know if you call the police, they don't come, and you're raped/maimed/killed you have no legal recourse? The only compensation you might get is sympathy! This has happened before. The police are not held responsible for your safety. YOU ARE! I also seem to remember the right to use the "Pen" being protected by a similar constitutional right. This one has also been nibbled at over the years. But don't worry, if they revoke one amendment, they surely won't go after the others, right? [ 04-30-2002, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: Sir Kenyth ]
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04-30-2002, 03:58 PM | #30 |
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It's something I'm in two minds about.
I'm European, so I'm not used to seeing a lot of guns about on the streets, and consequently I'm wary of them and the idea of owning one is a little scary. On the other hand, I grew up in a rural area so was quite used to seeing hunting parties wandering about. Many of our police are armed now. I travel a fair bit, to places where police are more heavily and obviously armed than they are here. I've had a kalashnikov pointed at me by a kid in uniform who thought he was being clever (Egypt) and in London from the top of the TA (Territorial Army) building - by some f*ckwit who also thought he was being clever. That obviously made me nervous. Lots of guns on the streets round where I live too, drug gang shoot-outs happen despite the tight gun control laws - all with illegally (and easily) obtained weapons. So having laws doesn't stop gun ownership. So yes, I feel nervousness about the presence of guns in some respects. On the other hand, I also enjoyed blasting the hell out of soda cans with my .22 air-rifle when I was a kid - I had a .177 too, but the .22 was more fun (and I wouldn't like to catch a hollowhead pellet from one either, could be nasty). Whether I'd own a gun? Probably not with any intention of ever using it in a violent situation, no, but shooting for fun, yes, it's enjoyable. I suppose growing up in a society where they aren't common makes me wary - and I suspect this is the root of most European's nervousness about the issue.
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