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I honestly think if we had a conversation in person, we would agree on most of the things we have discussed here. I think that the reason you are disagreeing with me right now is because you haven't taken the time to fully sort through you thoughts on these issues. You haven't logically analyzed your beliefs. You'll come around. I'm sure of it. Bottom line, aboloshing weapons is not a panacea to the human condition. [ 05-03-2002, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: MILAMBER ]
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05-03-2002, 09:12 PM | #194 | |
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Croatia was an independant country when Serbia attacked. They had there own army, although it was not prepared for the invasion. Vietcongs were trained and armed by the chinese communist regim. In fact, China sent "voluntary" troops there to fight with the viet communists. The vietcongs had already fought an independance war against the French too. The FARC is a very well trained and disciplined army. "Taxes" on the drug sales allow them to keep a good stock of light weapons and necessary material. They now control almost half of the territory, where they are respected because they bring order (notice i did not say justice). A good number of the founders came from the regular army. A lot of palestinians fighters are trained in camps in neighbouring countries. They have been fighting almost non-stop with israel for 52 years now, so they have grown in a war environment. As far as i know, none of the above example could apply to any western europe or north american people. If there is a need to rise and strike back, people will always be helpless without the support of a part of the army. Take the Venezuela coup for example: although most of the population was with Chavez, the leader of the country's businessmen took the power with the help and approval of most of the military. Until the day after, where a general made it's way with his division of tanks to the capital. The contre-coup to put back the twice democratically-elected president into place was NOT founded by democrat countries, was NOT done by the people, but was done by a bright officer protecting the constitution. In fact, people helped a lot (taking back the control of medias etc...), but it would have been meaningless without the military pressure.
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05-03-2002, 11:16 PM | #195 |
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Milamber,
You seem to quite fond of quoting people long since past, but I am awaiting your response. A 9mm fully automatic pistol is quite readily available. It may be a .22 or .357 or even an m60 but a gun is still a gun. Does it matter if it's a 1 megatonne nuclear warhead or a 60 megatonne? The fact of the matter is that nobody is capable of determing who should and shouldn't own a firearm, NOBODY. I do agree with the reasoning that we should all have the freedom and choices, but unfortunately society as a whole ruins it for those who have the intelligence and education to demonstrate responsivle gun ownership. By the way, why were fully automatic weapons and armour piercing rounds created? Let me guess, recreation! I do believe our "argument" is long since past its oringinal thread.
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05-03-2002, 11:26 PM | #196 |
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A few weeks ago on our local news, it was reported a 4 year old had gotten hold of a gun and accidently shot himself in the stomach, killing him. It was due to the grandfather not paying attention, and the grandfather had actually let the kid hold the gun a few weeks earlier, but unloaded. I just thought I'd share this story.
Personally, I don't really have an opinion on gun control and the such. I don't think I'll ever have one in my house for protection. It just has a too much potential for something really bad happening, like the story above. But I don't think they should be outlawed or something. Actually, I've never really thought about it. If they were outlawed, then the general public would just be unable to obtain them, though criminals could probably be able to get them from underground connections or such. I figure, just let people do what they want with it. Doesn't bother me much.
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