08-18-2005, 11:41 PM | #1 |
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I want to play a stealthy backstabbing thief-type. How high do these skills need to be to be an effective hider?
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08-19-2005, 12:20 AM | #2 |
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The actual amount is up to you, but I believe the true percentage of Hide in Shadows is the average of Hide in Shadows and Move Silently, though it is better to put more points into Move Silently because. . . hm, I don't remember for sure, but I think it was because Hide in Shadows caps at a certain amount and Move Silently continues to help you for longer. . . or something. Sorry I don't really recall, but Move Silently is the more important!
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08-19-2005, 01:30 AM | #3 |
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For entering Stealth: (HiS + MS) / 2 = Your % chance of success.
For remaining in Stealth: MS = Your % chance of success. The amount of time for which you will stay in Stealth after you "Leave Shadows" is determined by your MS score. Man, this keyboard sucks. Anyway, as you can see, Hide in Shadows is barely implemented, though I hope this is something that can be fixed in some Tweak mod. Anyway, ideally, it's good to have your HiS around 50 and your MS around 100. That way, you've got a 75% chance of dropping out of sight when you need to, and a 100% chance of not blowing your cover. Personal preference varies, of course: I like to pretend that I don't know how gimped HiS is, and so treat both skills equally, putting both skills above 75% when I can. Note: 100% does not guarantee invisibility. There are penalties for trying to Stealth in broad daylight, just as there are bonuses for hiding in dark areas with lots of cover. Also, I believe that even if your Move Silently is 250%, you will still break Stealth if you roll a 1.
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08-19-2005, 02:00 AM | #4 |
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Wow, I have posts surrounding SixOfSpades! I feel like celebrity-crazed fans. Anyway, isn't there also a limit we should keep an eye out for that wraps around at like 256%, making it negative? This feels like a good place to mention it, though I may be making stuff up out of my head, I'm pretty tired.
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08-19-2005, 09:01 PM | #5 |
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08-19-2005, 09:23 PM | #6 |
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Note that for those powergamers that most of the time, you'll only be going into the shadows out of battle, where you have all of the time in the world. Therefore, the most important skill is Move Silently, as you can keep on rolling until you get into the shadows..
SoS, doesn't Move Silently also control the amount of time a character stays invisible after it says 'Leaving the shadows'? I mean, there's a period after you enter combat where you haven't yet backstabbed but are still 'leaving the shadows'. Depending on your weapon speed, I've sometimes had characters become visible before striking.
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08-19-2005, 11:07 PM | #7 |
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sixofspades, if you really wanted to powergame this, are you saying you should have a 200 in Move Silently?
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And I don't mean resting after every single battle. After a couple of backstabs, along with your backline and frontline pounding on them, the enemy will usually die. Another battle, another couple of backstabs. Parcel it out. [ 08-20-2005, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: Assassin ]
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