Chemical weapons

[Sir Kenyth]

Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons are banned for a reason. They cause long lasting poisoning of the environment. Napalm, or it's similar compounds, do not do this. On the other hand, I have to say I am not proud we used it, if we did. In my opinion incindiary weapons like this are hideous and cruel beyond belief. That's why they have such a profound psychological effect. They threaten extreme pain, suffering, and disfigurment. To burn one's skin off to kill them. I find this approach to the ugly business of killing nothing less than barbaric! If killing and maiming must be done, at least let us attempt to be as humane as possible. Incindiary weapons are overtly NOT humane. I don't like it. I wouldn't be part of it.

[Lord Lothar]

WOMD or not (and I don't believe there are, based on Richard Butler's assesments) the international community had an OBLIGATION to remove Hussein, and miserably failed in it's duty for far to long.

But the US didn't make the reason for war that they wanted to get rid of Saddam Hussein because he was an evil man, they said that he had WMD and that he would use them on the US. THey had no proof of it but yet they still invaded Iraq. The countries who stayed out of the invasion did do because of the flawed case for war. If Bush stated that "hey guys, they'res an evil dude in Iraq, let's get rid of him and free the Iraqi people!" then this war would have been justified. But as of now, there's no justified reason for the US invading Iraq as no WMD have come up. And the UN, several years ago had set up the Nuremburg II tribunal to charge Saddam Hussein with war crimes but France and Russia threatened to veto it so it was dropped. I'm not anti-France or anti-Russia but I think that if they hadn't put their business interests before human rights, then we wouldn't need to be messing with Iraq today.

[Iron_Ranger]

Well, what makes a war justified? I mean, if you would have supported the war if Bush's reason were becuase Saddam was evil...Saddams out of power now. So you should be satisfied with that.

[Lord Lothar]

Originally posted by Iron_Ranger: Well, what makes a war justified? I mean, if you would have supported the war if Bush's reason were becuase Saddam was evil...Saddams out of power now. So you should be satisfied with that.

But Saddam was kicked out for the wrong reasons. The US attacked him because he supposedly had WMD and was going to use them instead of attacking him because he was a horrible and cruel dictator.

[Iron_Ranger]

Originally posted by Lord Lothar: quote: Originally posted by Iron_Ranger: Well, what makes a war justified? I mean, if you would have supported the war if Bush's reason were becuase Saddam was evil...Saddams out of power now. So you should be satisfied with that.

But Saddam was kicked out for the wrong reasons. The US attacked him because he supposedly had WMD and was going to use them instead of attacking him because he was a horrible and cruel dictator. [/QUOTE]

Attacking is attacking! If I say I am going to punch you with my left fist and punch you with my right, it doenst much matter does it? You still got punched.

But I see you point. I personaly dont think Bush lied. I think Saddam had WMDs, maybe the Bush adminastration are just giving people enough rope to hand themselfs with, so to speak.

[John D Harris]

Aren't explosives chemicals? Why I even believe gunpowder/cordite is a chemical compound, I know let's use sticks wait sticks are a carbon based chemical compound, ok let's use stones no wait stones are made of chemicals also. I know let's use our hands, no our bodies are made of chemicals also. "Hale" I guess we'll just have to gather around a camp fire and sing Kumbyaw.

[Lord Lothar]

Originally posted by John D Harris: Aren't explosives chemicals? Why I even believe gunpowder/cordite is a chemical compound, I know let's use sticks wait sticks are a carbon based chemical compound, ok let's use stones no wait stones are made of chemicals also. I know let's use our hands, no our bodies are made of chemicals also. "Hale" I guess we'll just have to gather around a camp fire and sing Kumbyaw.

Lol, well it would be great if the world could actually do that.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Animal: Killing someone in war is one thing, making them suffer while killing them is completely different. If Saddam had used napalm, I'm willing to bet there would be a much bigger fuss.

I bet that would depend on IF Iraq had signed the treaty saying they wouldn't use Napalm. Something the USA DIDN'T do, but I guess since it was a treaty then EVERYBODY must be held to it even if they didn't sign it. And since that is now the case "Hale" let's do away with treaties alltogether and just tell everybody this is what you can do and can't do.

Ladies and gentlemen The purpose of WAR is to kill, breaking things is a bonus. The more people try to make war "nice and humane" the more likey it is to be accepted.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Lord Lothar: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Aren't explosives chemicals? Why I even believe gunpowder/cordite is a chemical compound, I know let's use sticks wait sticks are a carbon based chemical compound, ok let's use stones no wait stones are made of chemicals also. I know let's use our hands, no our bodies are made of chemicals also. "Hale" I guess we'll just have to gather around a camp fire and sing Kumbyaw.

Lol, well it would be great if the world could actually do that. [/QUOTE]It would be nice but there are a whole lot of people out there that aren't willing to do it, so the others had better be prepared to protect themselves or die.

[Lord Lothar]

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by Lord Lothar: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Aren't explosives chemicals? Why I even believe gunpowder/cordite is a chemical compound, I know let's use sticks wait sticks are a carbon based chemical compound, ok let's use stones no wait stones are made of chemicals also. I know let's use our hands, no our bodies are made of chemicals also. "Hale" I guess we'll just have to gather around a camp fire and sing Kumbyaw.

Lol, well it would be great if the world could actually do that. [/QUOTE]It would be nice but there are a whole lot of people out there that aren't willing to do it, so the others had better be prepared to protect themselves or die. [/QUOTE]*sigh* A sad truth in our lives.