01-12-2005, 12:42 PM | #1 | |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4169107.stm
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Officials are still sifting through a mountain of documents and if they produce any leads, they say, they will be followed, but there is no expectation that the hunt will be revived. The Iraq Survey Group, which was responsible for the search, goes on, but its focus now is trying to help counter the Iraqi insurgency. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...as/4169107.stm Published: 2005/01/12 17:07:08 GMT © BBC MMV[/QUOTE] |
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01-12-2005, 06:08 PM | #2 | |
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01-12-2005, 06:13 PM | #3 |
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Whats that old saying? "Better look before you leap"
I guess the people who bought the "smoking gun" line about the Atom Bomb feel kinda suckered, eh? I would. Speaking of which, has anyone else seen the documentry "Uncovered: The Truth About The Iraq War" ? It lays the case for how wrong we (they) were on so many levels and reminds us how exactly we were repeatedly sold the war, particularly in contrast to the constantly repeated post-war rationale. [ 01-12-2005, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]
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01-12-2005, 06:18 PM | #4 | |
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01-12-2005, 08:24 PM | #5 | |
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I agree that there was too much emphasis placed on weapons of mass destruction in the weeks before the invasion. More emphasis should have been placed on the fact that Hussein had been [img]graemlins/flickdown.gif[/img] the world and his own people for years while no one lifted a finger to stop him and his abuses. Personally, I would have sent a hit team to remove him and his sons. Also, I do agree that the war was poorly prepared and under-prepared. Even after Vietnam we still haven't learned how to wage a war against loosely-organized groups of foes who blend into the general population. Do military strategists just sit around drinking coffee and earning a salary or do they think?
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01-12-2005, 09:05 PM | #6 | |
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I don't think there was anything particularly wrong with the military planning - it was largely flawless, helped by the poor tactics of the Iraqi army of course.
The blame for the current problems rest partly with the Pentagon for basically being so completely useless and unrealistic at every stage of their reconstruction plans - even those that matter most like the oil reconstruction. I've got some funny tales to tell... There's no other word than 'incompetent' to describe them. Secondly the 'gung-ho' attitude of US troops on the ground and the willingness to call in airstrikes in residential areas. It may be the American way to fight a war, but its no way to win the population over. Just two random examples: Quote:
It's easy to dismiss them all as terrorists, or gloss over the numbers. But the reality is that the only losers here are the innocent Iraqi civilians and what's happening here is no better than what occurred under Saddam. If you're dead, you're still dead. Whether it was done under an authoritarian regime, or a foreign occupation trying to restore democracy it's all the same. And equally devastating for those left behind. [ 01-12-2005, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ] |
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01-13-2005, 05:20 AM | #7 |
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Sorry Azred - when it's war and there are thousands of people about to die for a mistake then the guy deciding needs to be more accountable than just accepting accepting a consultant's report. Let's not mistake that from Day 1 this administration has been focused on finishing Pappy's unfinished business. Several people last their jobs because they wanted to do other things like fix the economy (eg Paul O'Neill).
If someone is that focussed on something and they get a consultant showing them dodgy data it really doesn't matter to them that it may be dodgy. It fits with what they want to do so they go with it no questions asked. Blow me down - turned out that smoking gun was a steaming pile of manure. Heck - let's find someone to blame - where is that consultant?
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01-13-2005, 05:45 AM | #8 |
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And while it isn't remotely on topic, I just managed to sit still through about 5 mins of Bill O'Reilly's show.
"Boy what a tosser". While it would be more appropriate to give some specifics and psychoanalyse the little foibles (from not letting the person answer the questions he asked to the placement of the cameras and his higher chair that kids the viewer that he has the moral high ground) but pretty much all of it offends the sensibilities and the intelligence. Might be good for a laugh next time I am rat-arsed drunk .
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01-13-2005, 08:21 AM | #9 |
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Now where's Magik's infamous apology demand thread when you need it...
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01-13-2005, 08:40 AM | #10 |
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Sorry George - it seems to have gone missing.
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