The American Constitution - Second Amendment....

[Luvian]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Sir Taliesin: You all need to close this topic and start another one, cause this thread has nothing to do with the topic that was posted.

Why? I started both threads, and I took this one off topic. Part of the initial attraction of the blue board for me was the way human conversation flowed in and out of topics. I've never been a fan of "seperate threads for seperate topics". Let it flow. If this thread gets closed I'd be extremeley upset.

Anyhow, this very discussion takes the thread OT. [/QUOTE]I agree with you, I like it when discussion evolve in a thread. Just because it does not match the little line of text on top of the page does not mean it's not interesting of entertaining.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Luvian: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Sir Taliesin: You all need to close this topic and start another one, cause this thread has nothing to do with the topic that was posted.

Why? I started both threads, and I took this one off topic. Part of the initial attraction of the blue board for me was the way human conversation flowed in and out of topics. I've never been a fan of "seperate threads for seperate topics". Let it flow. If this thread gets closed I'd be extremeley upset.

Anyhow, this very discussion takes the thread OT. [/QUOTE]I agree with you, I like it when discussion evolve in a thread. Just because it does not match the little line of text on top of the page does not mean it's not interesting of entertaining. [/QUOTE][img]smile.gif[/img]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Djinn Raffo: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: I was talking with my brother about this tonight. There is no way any "ally" of the Empire of America could change their drug policy. Huge recriminations would result. Wasn't Noriega, the soveriegn leader of an independent nation, arrested, in his own nation, while sitting in power?? Because of drugs? It's my belief that all drugs. hard and soft, should be made 100% legal. The drug war has been lost. Remove the money from the underworld and all the crime with it. As it was with prohibilition. Remove the mystique. Treat adults as humans with a choice. Increase education and increase purity of the substances, and get it all out into the open. However if I became leader of Mali, and wanted to enact such laws, could I do so? Not unless American drug policy changed. New South Wales is only now allowing Marijuana for medicinal purposes, despite it being decriminalised years, and this proposal being around for years also. I distincctly remember pressure exerted on the government from America, when they last put this proposal in the air.

Actually Yorick there is a way an 'ally' of the Empire of America would change its drug policies because Canada, right now, is decriminalizing marijuana and Washington is not to happy about it. Vancouver also has its first fully legal shoot up clinic being built as well and it may be complete already.

I agree with you one hundred percent on the legalization. The bud trade in my province is a six to eight billion dollar industry. At the moment that is all black market 'criminal' activity. IMHO that trade should be legalized and that six to eight billion dollars should be taxed. [/QUOTE]Sydney has legal injection rooms. It's a long way from full legalisation, but it's a good start.

Was that legal or lethal?

I'm all for letting addicts have all the ppure concentrated drugs they want. I would just add one stipulation, that they all get sterilized so that no children are brought into the mix. Supply them with the purest, most potent form of their drug of choice and let them have at it till they kill themselves.
The human race is minus a few geneticly addiction prone types and no new addicts are born fom them. Would save society a ton o cash.

[Timber Loftis]

YEah, what MagiK said.

Or more broadly -- allow all drug use but remove all laws and social support that would be triggered by errors, mistakes, misdeeds done while on those drugs. This includes the notion that the highest degree of culpability one can have while drunk is "recklessness" (remember: get drunk before driving over your husband and you get manslaughter not murder). This also includes free needles, etc. You play, YOU pay -- not me.

What about the crack babbies?? Well, 2 options: (1) stop crack babies being born, either by sterilizing addicted mothers or forcing addicted would-be mothers to get abortions or (2) don't support the crack babies with public funds at all. Both of these options are too harsh for people to deal with, so we make the drug illegal.

But, if we really wanted to treat humans "responsibly" we'd do something like this.

BTW, Yorick, can I smoke my legalized pot in a hash bar? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

[Night Stalker]

Yorick - I agree, the "Drug War" was lost long ago. I have no idea why the gubbermint thought that Prohibition would work under a different name. Yes there are social impacts to addiction and intoxication, but I don't think sterilization is the answer, as not all users of intoxicants become "junkies". I fully support holding people accountable for actions while intoxicated. Afterall, the choice was made to get blitzed in the first place.

ROTFLLAO!! Timber [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img] too funny!

[Sir Taliesin]

Yorick, your exactly right about the Drug War being lost! It was lost decades ago. I would have figured that the Government would have wised up after prohabition. A lot of money now being spent on the Drug War could be used for so many benefical things like Schools, edumacation, new infrasture (which we need desparately) and cleaning up the environment. I could go on and on, but I won't. I believe we'd see a significant drop in the crime rate as well. Any way, on this topic you are definately preaching to the choir, brother! Preach on!!!

[Stormymystic]

The "drug war" was never fought, all that was done is the politicians were bought so that any smaller drug dealers would be put out quickly, while the bigger ones ran things

[Djinn Raffo]

Yeah addicts and all that. They shouldn't be a burden on our tax dollars. That is why imo all drugs should be legalized so we could start to make some money off it. An industry that generates billions and billions of dollars totally unregulated and unchecked. I guess that is a true open market though, a black one. Still that money should be taxed and the revenues put towards medicare, at least in Canada.

[Azred]

No, no, no. The Government should nationalize the currently-illegal drug trade. Not only can they institute quality control for the drugs (so you don't have people snorting rat poison) but look at how much money the Government could make. That should raise the surplus for the next several decades! [img]graemlins/laugh3.gif[/img]

As a further benefit, it would create thousands of new jobs: lab technicians, marketing, sales/distribution, warehousing, shipping, etc.

Plus, we could revamp both the military and foreign policy. Toe our line, or we dump thousands of tons of cheap drugs into your country, addict a majority of your population, then withhold the drugs until you fall in line. [img]graemlins/firedevil.gif[/img]

btw...this is an old idea of mine, dating from 1989. It was an idea I pursued in a course entitled "Shaping the Future". [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]