Chemical weapons

[Faceman]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: So drop them in groups, or bags. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] Hell, just drop 'em for the fun of it. Who needs pennies anyway?

Could you then please bomb MY home. I consider myself on of the persons who need 100 000$

[Faceman]

And a little more math to illustrate just how pathetic pennies are

1 penny is
19.05mm in diameter
and 1.55 thick

therefore a penny has a volume of
((19.05/2)^2) * pi * 1.55 = 441.78 cmm = 0.44178 ccm/ml

assuming you could store pennies in any container without spaces between them
100 million pennies (1 mio $)would take up

0.44178 ccm * 100 000 000 = 44178558.33 ccm/ml = 44178.55 cdm/l

This equals about 11700 US gallons which filled with beer
would

1. only weigh 44tons as opposed to the 250tons the pennies would weigh

2. be a lot cheaper a 0.5l can is about 50 cents where I live
therefore
44000l would be worth 44000$

3. contain enough alcohol to get 10 000 men up to a BAC of 0.277%

required math
weight of one man = 200lbs = 91kg
alcohol content of a beer = 5%vol

grams of alcohol = bodyweight in kgs * blood alcohol in promille * 0.7 (constant would be 0.6 for females)

now 4.4178l beer would contain

4.4178*5/100 = 0.22l = 220ml alcohol
this is
220*0.density of alcohol) = 176.712g alcohol

so
176.712 = 91*blood alcohol in promille*0.7
176.712/63.7= blood alcohol in promille = 2.7741

Now promille = %BAC*10 so 2.77promille = 0.277%BAC

So maybe they should just drop the beer and make the enemies all drunk. Nice tactical strike that one

[ 08-19-2003, 04:17 AM: Message edited by: Faceman ]

[Faceman]

Starting to like this so I've started a new topic for my silly calculations in General Disussion.

[daan]

Got curious through your thread at GD .. just have a question:


[quote]Originally posted by Faceman:

Originally posted by John D Harris: a little math: a penny weighs 2.5g dropping height = 10000m (about 33000 feet) s = g/2*t^2 10000 = 10/2*t^2 t = sqrt(2000) - square root of 2000 The pennies fall for about 45 seconds v = g*t = 10*sqrt(2000) They reach a speed of about 450m/s

Where did friction go ?
Because a feather takes a preeeetty long time to get down from 33000 feet, but I can assure you that it does not reach speeds like 450m/s, which if you use just your formula would appear to be the result ...

[Faceman]

friction was disregarded because I was aiming for the highest possible speed (which I should have outlined I concede).
Also it is quite low in this case where aerodynamic resistance would play a more important role as it would with your feather which actually might never ever reach ground because of aerodynamic resistance and the fact that it would be dragged around by different air streams.

This is also another thing I disregard for my coins (which because of density definitely WOULD reach ground) which could be thrown around and slowed down by wind too. Yet their max speed remains what I have outlined above disregarding exact numbers for g (which varies with height and actually is set at approx 9.801) and disregarding any effects of air (friction, aerodynamic resistance,...).

[ 08-19-2003, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: Faceman ]

[Indemaijinj]

I think grouping Napalm along with some of the more horrible chemical and biological agents is quite misleading.


I think the reason why we choose to ban the use of those weapons is that:

1: Their effects are too hard to control. You have little knowledge about who will actually die from them, and they can have lingering effects.

2: They are deliberately designed to kill people as painfully as possible.

There is a great difference in deep-frying a few select people in a bunker and letting loose a plague.

[Skunk]

But you are not 'frying' a few select people in a bunker when you use napalm - the very nature of the weapon means that it can *not* be precise. Don't forget that the bomb must first release a vapour cloud of inflammable liquid (which is then be dispersed yet further by the wind) before ignition. Obviously, you don't want to be downwind of this:
http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/u...s/napalm66.jpg

As for the results, it *is* designed to kill slowly and instill fear. The problem with trying to get people to understand the nature of this weapon is that photographers and journalists tend to prefer not to be in the area where napalm is being dropped - consequently few photos exist - but those that do tell a horrific story:

http://collections.ic.gc.ca/boatpeop...lmbombing.jpeg (US Napalm)
http://tuantran.org/050402pic2.jpg (US Napalm)
http://tuantran.org/050402pic3.jpg (US Napalm)
http://www.afghan-web.com/gallery/injuredwoman.jpg (Russian napalm)
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/boatpeop.../dovandan.jpeg (Agent Orange)

[Gnarf]

Sadly this would only produce the atrocity of killing civilians while leaving the enemy troops alive.

...and then, after some money-dropping, american troops can get in'n kill anything that moves, knowing that they won't hit any civilians [img]tongue.gif[/img]