Cern is a coward or... (major spoilers.. don't even peek)

rah_pillage · 08-05-2005, 09:34 PM

Sup Six0spades (just know ur lurking), regs... been goner for a while (vacation) and just got back to my bgII guesting to find out either Cern is a punk or I got a glitch (yeah it's me with the i might have a glitch thing again).

Goes like this... (told ya dont even peek... y i oughtta)
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I met cern at the druid grove like he said, and after all hell with the trolls I find him. I told him to join us (thats again, I told him before and he left talking about some apples...) and he keeps saying yeah lets get busy [I'm paraphrasing here.. he actually said okay were stronger lets go.. or something like that]but he always joins for a few seconds and then talks about the apples and says he'll wait here for me...

What gives? is it a glitch or he says he wants to come and backs out?

ElfBane · 08-06-2005, 03:53 AM

I hold druids to a somewhat high moral standard. Not as high as paladins, kind of like lower clergy. Not only is Cernd a coward,,, he is also pretty much a scumbag. As soon as I found out what he did to his woman, I dumped him.

Dragonshadow · 08-06-2005, 08:44 AM

It sounds like a bug. Do you have any patches?

Dalamar Stormcrow · 08-06-2005, 10:07 AM

I think what he is trying to say is that hes is trying to leave the Druid Grove, and IIRC Cernd will not leave until you kill Faldorn.

SixOfSpades · 08-06-2005, 10:54 PM

There's a chance that your Reputation is either really high or really low, and perhaps Cernd will only stick around for a few seconds before he notices what goody-two-shoes or foul evildoers you are before he leaves again? You'd think that BioWare would have disabled that part of his personality while Faldorn's still alive, but given what we know of BioWare, they probably forgot that safety catch.

TinyMage · 08-06-2005, 11:55 PM

All neutral characters will stay no-matter what. Its only good and evil that will leave depending on alignment.

If you haven't killed Faldorn then that is probably why, if not.. I have no idea, although Cernd does have some personal quests he must do or he leaves ( but I think he leaves for good ).

SixOfSpades · 08-07-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by TinyMage:
All neutral characters will stay no-matter what. Its only good and evil that will leave depending on alignment.

Ah yes, thank you. Neutral characters will only leave (for Reputation reasons) if the party's Rep hits 1. But I think that if your Rep was 1, you'd have noticed strange things happening before now, so I think it's safe to assume that you have a bug, and a weird one too.

Cernd does have a personal quest, but it cannot trigger until Faldorn is dead (I'm 90% sure), and though he does leave the party as a result of it, you can just go get him right back again.

rah_pillage · 08-08-2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
There's a chance that your Reputation is either really high or really low, and perhaps Cernd will only stick around for a few seconds before he notices what goody-two-shoes or foul evildoers you are before he leaves again? You'd think that BioWare would have disabled that part of his personality while Faldorn's still alive, but given what we know of BioWare, they probably forgot that safety catch.

Well my reputation was like 18-19 at the time and virture 18 so maybe thats it. But Cern would join then in like a fraction of a second leave the party with no excuses besides saying something about "dont throw away the apple while its green". Even after killing Fallon when i talked to him and asked him to join he says yes, then does same thing.

And yes I do have mods... the following:

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// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
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SixOfSpades · 08-08-2005, 12:59 PM

Hm. Well, none of those should affect Cernd's willingness to stay in the party, though if Virtue is installed, I don't know what Virtue values would make Neutral characters want to leave. Why isn't Virtue listed in your list of mods?

Advice: Save a separate copy of your game, and don't overwrite it. Next, load your game up and, instead of talking to Cernd to bring him into the party, Ctrl-Q him (you'll need to have the CheatKeys enabled). This might circumvent his strange dialogue flaw, though it might also bug up his dialogue for the rest of the game (I had that happen to me with Jan once). So I wouldn't recommend it for those who want to use Cernd throughout the game--but then, who the heck does? (Then again, seeing as how you have Weimer's Unbalanced Shapeshifter installed, I could be wrong--but then again, you also have Refinements installed, which has been installed after Ease-Of-Use, so it will either mitigate Weimer's version....or stack with it.)

You'll have to uninstall Shadow Thief Improvements if you think there's a chance you might want to work for Bodhi ever again.

TinyMage · 08-08-2005, 02:09 PM

The "I question throwing away the apple while it is still green" line comes when you dismiss him.

If your not dismissing him its definitely a bug. Since you have so many mods installed it is impossible to say which one is causing this, but I've never encountered anything like this.

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08-05-2005, 09:34 PM	#1
rah_pillage Dungeon Master Join Date: June 22, 2005 Location: Forgotten Realms (of course) Age: 38 Posts: 83	Sup Six0spades (just know ur lurking), regs... been goner for a while (vacation) and just got back to my bgII guesting to find out either Cern is a punk or I got a glitch (yeah it's me with the i might have a glitch thing again). Goes like this... (told ya dont even peek... y i oughtta) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I met cern at the druid grove like he said, and after all hell with the trolls I find him. I told him to join us (thats again, I told him before and he left talking about some apples...) and he keeps saying yeah lets get busy [I'm paraphrasing here.. he actually said okay were stronger lets go.. or something like that]but he always joins for a few seconds and then talks about the apples and says he'll wait here for me... What gives? is it a glitch or he says he wants to come and backs out? __________________ What\'s life without [url]\"http://maddkarma.com\" target=\"_blank\">MaddKarma</a> \"rah_pillage\" Birth

08-06-2005, 03:53 AM	#2
ElfBane Mephistopheles Join Date: March 21, 2004 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Age: 69 Posts: 1,443	I hold druids to a somewhat high moral standard. Not as high as paladins, kind of like lower clergy. Not only is Cernd a coward,,, he is also pretty much a scumbag. As soon as I found out what he did to his woman, I dumped him. __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. Iraq and Afghan fatalities: 6,855 and counting. Silence IS consent.

08-06-2005, 08:44 AM	#3
Dragonshadow Quth-Maren Join Date: February 17, 2003 Location: Portsmouth Age: 34 Posts: 4,145	It sounds like a bug. Do you have any patches? __________________ aka Loc der Graf, Quillruke

08-06-2005, 10:07 AM	#4
Dalamar Stormcrow Banned User Join Date: November 1, 2003 Location: My own little world Age: 33 Posts: 828	I think what he is trying to say is that hes is trying to leave the Druid Grove, and IIRC Cernd will not leave until you kill Faldorn.

08-06-2005, 10:54 PM	#5
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 46 Posts: 6,901	There's a chance that your Reputation is either really high or really low, and perhaps Cernd will only stick around for a few seconds before he notices what goody-two-shoes or foul evildoers you are before he leaves again? You'd think that BioWare would have disabled that part of his personality while Faldorn's still alive, but given what we know of BioWare, they probably forgot that safety catch. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

08-06-2005, 11:55 PM	#6
TinyMage Dungeon Master Join Date: August 18, 2004 Location: USA Age: 45 Posts: 83	All neutral characters will stay no-matter what. Its only good and evil that will leave depending on alignment. If you haven't killed Faldorn then that is probably why, if not.. I have no idea, although Cernd does have some personal quests he must do or he leaves ( but I think he leaves for good ).

08-08-2005, 12:59 PM	#9
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 46 Posts: 6,901	Hm. Well, none of those should affect Cernd's willingness to stay in the party, though if Virtue is installed, I don't know what Virtue values would make Neutral characters want to leave. Why isn't Virtue listed in your list of mods? Advice: Save a separate copy of your game, and don't overwrite it. Next, load your game up and, instead of talking to Cernd to bring him into the party, Ctrl-Q him (you'll need to have the CheatKeys enabled). This might circumvent his strange dialogue flaw, though it might also bug up his dialogue for the rest of the game (I had that happen to me with Jan once). So I wouldn't recommend it for those who want to use Cernd throughout the game--but then, who the heck does? (Then again, seeing as how you have Weimer's Unbalanced Shapeshifter installed, I could be wrong--but then again, you also have Refinements installed, which has been installed after Ease-Of-Use, so it will either mitigate Weimer's version....or stack with it.) You'll have to uninstall Shadow Thief Improvements if you think there's a chance you might want to work for Bodhi ever again. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

08-08-2005, 02:09 PM	#10
TinyMage Dungeon Master Join Date: August 18, 2004 Location: USA Age: 45 Posts: 83	The "I question throwing away the apple while it is still green" line comes when you dismiss him. If your not dismissing him its definitely a bug. Since you have so many mods installed it is impossible to say which one is causing this, but I've never encountered anything like this.

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