09-08-2008, 01:53 AM | #81 | |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
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Well if the fittest survive and evolve, why do the weaker ones not evolve? And why would humans evolve weaker babies? An ape baby is far more sturdy and independent than the fragile human one. And how about the eye that needs all it's components to work? I still have fundamental problems with new species mutations, when gene locks prevent us breeding even mule that reproduces (A mule is the result of a donkey and an ass), let alone having a tiger and dog breed. And what about regressive genes etc. Where deviations from the intended gene pattern reproduce at much lower rates. Dwarfs for example, reproduce at a much lower rate than normal humans. Everything about dna/genes etc seems to try and correct itself, rather than allow mutations to evolve. Plus, no reproducible mutation has ever been recorded in human history. So it's all just theory. Plus it still has not been explained to me how an ape can evolve a human nose that allows it to swim, and not drown, when attempting to engage in the activity it would use the new nose for, would kill it. I cannot believe that if humans keep jumping off cliffs, one day we'll develop wings. It defies logic, and yet that is what supposedly happened with ape's noses, backs (which can't support bipedalism) etc. I have too much doubt in evolution theory to accept it. |
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09-08-2008, 01:56 AM | #82 |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
Oh, and then there's the platypus.
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09-08-2008, 01:59 AM | #83 |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
Which is just one of the oddest looking creatures I have ever seen. It's all about the beak...
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09-08-2008, 01:59 AM | #84 |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
Yeah - it lays eggs just like it's mammel like reptilian ancestors.
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09-08-2008, 02:12 AM | #85 | |
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I, personally, wouldn't call a person with "flight-fear" illogical, but simply "fearful". Maybe, if it's a phobia I would possibly call them "irrational" since phobic feelings are usually chronic and insatable. Their fears, no matter what I think of them, would have some evidential merit based on the rare times a plane crashes with the results being catastrophic. In essence, I would understand it. Have I missed the point entirely here?
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09-08-2008, 02:36 AM | #86 | |
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What would truly sate my curiosity is if scientists managed to take some cells and rapid grow them into something more evolved. Not cloning; really taking cells and just letting them grow into something new. Maybe it's been done already, I don't know. But I'd like to see it.
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Then I realized- we don't need to. We evolved in a very specific way- mental strengths and abilities at the expense of physical ones. Quote:
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Besides, all the really cool stuff happened before human history was recorded. We've been recording history for what, a few thousand years? I'm talking about a few million years. Quote:
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09-08-2008, 05:33 AM | #88 |
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Re: Remember that Dutch comic about Mohamad?
About the evolution - survival of the fittest:
There are fish in the deep oceans that have survived almost unchanged as a species for 300 million years. Humans have been around for far less than that. The only lifeform to be everywhere on the planet and to survive everywhere are bacteria. Arctic ice has them, magma vents in the deep oceans have them. Humans couldn't survive without them. As for whether evolution produces the best...no, it just produces those who can survive best under the conditions of the planet. Dinosaurs couldn't survive the meteorite that plunged global temperatures and they died out. If climatological conditions radically changed humans could just as easily be decimated. |
09-08-2008, 05:38 AM | #89 | |
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Of course there are those who would try to abuse their beliefs and use them for their own means. History has shown that that can be done with any religion, or even any beliefs (ex: political) people have. It is easy to sacrifice someone for a cause, knowing that they are willing to do it. American soldiers are being sacrificed for a cause in Iraq, just as Palestinians are sent by a bomb-maker to an Israeli market to die for a cause or thousands of crusaders were sent to the Holy Land to die for a cause. They either believe in what they are doing, or they have a strong enough reason to not want to appear to not believe (be it fear, coercion,...). |
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09-08-2008, 05:41 AM | #90 | |
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A well-aimed solar eruption from the Sun could easily wash over the earth and bath us in radiation. Chances are statistically low for that, but over millions of years it can easily happen. |
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