09-23-2001, 06:20 PM | #11 | |
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09-23-2001, 06:25 PM | #12 |
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What a great solution...let's just hope everyone in his network gives themselves up peacefully
bin Laden has already been indicted in NYC for the bombing of the WTC in '93 and on attempts at other terrorist acts in NYC. Doesn't seem to have stopped him. He does not care about our laws and our trials of justice. This is a war, like Yorick pointed out: a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end ------------------ Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig I've got to admit it's getting better, it's getting better all the time Bossman of Better Funny Stuff.....of the Laughing Hyenas! |
09-23-2001, 06:30 PM | #13 | |
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He is thinking in the traditional term of War as the use of Military force between rival nations. That is NOT the correct situation here. We are NOT at war, damnit, and we won't be unless we escalate it into one by reckless use of our military might. Bush wants to use the phrase "War" so the American people will more readily accept the use of military force he intends to carry out. What we have are crimes carried out by at this stage an unknown number of people, working in conspiricy with one another. If we view this properly and legally under our OWN LAWS, that would dictate one course of action. Insisting on viewing this as Pearl Harbor and the Japanese overrruning of the Pacific and WAR leads to another course of action, which Bush seems overeager to follow. As a criminal case, from the standpoint of OUR OWN LAW, (and remember that the other terrorist incidents in Okla city and the first bombing of the WTC were dealt with appropriately as criminal violations and prosecuted under our criminal law) we should first complete the investigation to be sure we have the right suspects, and then figure out the least harmful way (to others) of bringing them to justice. In our Pearl Harbor/War model, we seem to be just rushing forward to bomb the hell out of the enemy and whoever else gets in the way. |
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09-23-2001, 06:31 PM | #14 |
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You know what pisses me off about this? It highlights American arrogance. Are Palestine and Israel at War? Are the Ulster Unionists and the IRA at War? Are America so large and omnipotent that they are beneath "warring" a repressive government subjegating one of the poorest nations on earth and harbouring a militant religious sect with violent ends.
I'm glad Bush has separated the Taliban from Afgahnistan, and Bin Laden from the Taliban. In earlier years the three would have been seen as merged entities and the "war" Diogenes is proclaiming as pure and "worthy" would have errupted. Much to Bin Ladens joy. The rules of Warfare change. WWI changed all the rules of combat, bringing trench warfare and minute land gains. Did we stop calling it war? Vietnam had a hidden enemy, rarely seen. Did we not call that a war? So the enemy is not merely a NATION. Well welcome to the new Millenium. The new Empires are multinationals with Coup D'Etats Colonies and Dynasties. The Emperor of a "new Empire" declared war on an Empire of the old school. I'm just glad the leaders have their eyes open to the reality of the situation, and are humble enough to take this seriously. All it will take is for the dissidents revolting in Karachi to grow (15% of the pop at the moment) and overthrow the government and we'll have an antagonistic, pro-Bin Laden nation with 40 nuclear warheads. Will that be "War" then Diogenes? Bin Laden will have two nations then. Remember the Golden rule. He who has the Gold rules. ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! |
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09-23-2001, 06:36 PM | #17 | |
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The US would be entitled to go in and get him, by ordinary rules of law. Enforcing the sentence, if he was tried by court in his absence, which in our law he could be, could mean such things as possible assassination if that was the only way to enforce the death penalty, for instance. In any case, my whole point is simply that there is no need for us to go off half cocked screaming insanely and reckessly shooting up Afghanistan. Patience might give us much better results in the end. |
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