09-13-2001, 07:08 PM | #131 | |
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09-13-2001, 07:10 PM | #132 | |
Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom
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09-13-2001, 07:18 PM | #133 | |
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Firstly your military maintains bases all over the world as part of commitments to countries you have treaties with-such as your NATO allies and to maintain your supply lines and guard against threats from perceived enemies-China, Russia, North Korea, Iraq etc they are not there to prevent terrorist attacks. The reponsibility for that lies with the governmnet of the country who loan you the land to put your base on. Your bases act as deterrants for enemy attacks. No they don't reduce terrorism the only way soldiers reduce terrorism is if they are patrolling on the streets where bombs are being planted, organising road blocks and actively searching for terrorists. Northern Ireland is a prime example thousands of British troops were stationed there for years and had relatively little effect in reducing the number of terrorist attacks The US were involved in the Iran-Iraq war because you were worried that one and then the other nation would become too powerful and then destabilise the middle east, not to prevent terrorism. I'm not condemning it but that is an undisputable fact. You basically played them off against each other until they were both so weak neither posed a threat to anyone. Can you remind me of what happened in 1983 because my memory is a bit hazy on exactly what you are talking about and then I'll reply to that. If it was an embassy bombing then your soldiers were there to protect your own staff in a dangerous area and not to run anti-terrorist operations. The fact remains that everytime the US has sent troops into a foreign country since Vietnam it has been to stop wars not terrorism-Somalia is a bit different because you were trying to stop warlords running the country. Yes atrocities are committed but they are not terrorism as such and the perpetrators are easy to spot and take action against. Everytime the US has intervened with troops the enemy can be easily located and fought against with conventional methods. i.e. troops, helicopters and so on. The reason is your presidents don't want to have to justify casualty rates like the ones in Vietnam ever again over a situation in another nation and again rightly so. When the US is not sure who the enemy is it chooses not to endanger its soldiers lives and instead uses cruise missiles to strike at the perpetrators. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that because it limits casualties although it's been shown to be less effective than ground assaults. Terrorists hide, they plant cowardly bombs and never show themselves so you can hit back, you don't know who your enemy and your response to events is usually limited through necessity because they hide in the civilian population. That is not the case in a war-in Kosovo the US, UK etc knew who was on what side and could plan tactics around that. I don't recall criticising the US foreign policy as you appear to think I was. I happen to think it is has been a lot more responsible since Reagan left the White House. I was merely presenting my views in a dispassionate way backed with facts. I appreciate emotions are running high at the moment but misintepreting my post and replying in the manner you have is not going to help the situation Moni. |
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09-13-2001, 07:22 PM | #134 | |
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09-13-2001, 07:31 PM | #135 | |
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As for where I've been.... collecting youngest grandson from school, then preventing him and his older brother from maiming each other for 2-3 hours, then coming home in the rain, getting soaked, having meal and relaxing with a book for a couple of hours to unwind..... I have such a profoundly interesting life-style! Satisfied? ------------------ |
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09-13-2001, 08:59 PM | #136 | |
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*ahem* "replying in the manner you have is not going to help the situation Moni."? I think I was pretty civil about it! You came here and argued my point of view first, not the other way around. Perhaps we both understood each other. The main point of this thread was based on the fact that Americans DO care about the rest of the world. I don't know where it became limited to the fight against terrorism specifically but more "do we view ourselves as more important than the rest of the world". My point was that we are there on a world-wide level and for you say that our bases act as deterrants against enemy attacks was exactly my point. We are there. How many foreign military bases are set up in other countries world-wide for that purpose? Not to be rude but because I have tests to study for right now, I am not even going to address the rest of your post until we can agree or disagree that we are on the same page...it would be pointless to say anything if we are both at a misunderstanding wouldn't it? btw, The attack against the Marines in 1983 was a terrorist attack. A truck bomb driven into a barracks full of sleeping Marines. I don't remember any more details and I can't find any online references for you but if you want, I can ask people who do remember more or do research in the library to get you more info. ------------------ You know childhood is over when a puddle seems like an obstacle instead of an opportunity. Is Too! Is Not! Is Too! Is Not! |
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09-13-2001, 11:23 PM | #137 | |
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I also disagree that we have to search HARD to find outside news! We have 24 hour news channels that ALWAYS have world news, most of our newspapers have 'World News' sections, and quite a few of us on the net have a homepage that shows breaking news on the front page. (Yahoo, MSN, actually, I think most.) Now if you are talking about the everyday, local news of other countries, I don't think I'm alone in saying that you're right, we're not interested. ------------------ Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar LH Member General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else. But from that day forward, mothers would tell their kittens that if they were not good, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him. |
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09-13-2001, 11:28 PM | #138 | |
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Even if they are a minority, they do exist. ------------------ You know childhood is over when a puddle seems like an obstacle instead of an opportunity. Is Too! Is Not! Is Too! Is Not! |
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09-13-2001, 11:45 PM | #139 | |
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------------------ Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar LH Member General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else. But from that day forward, mothers would tell their kittens that if they were not good, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him. |
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09-14-2001, 03:05 AM | #140 | |
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I agree with you on the history thing BTW. That whole 'Those who do not learn frim History are doomed to Repeat it' thing. However, I disagree with you about not having an axe to grind. You seem to be grinding pretty hard, taking an aggressively arguementative stance on almost every thread I have read you in. Regardless of topic, your opinions *seem* to be meant to either provoke or be insuting (not too much of the latter, but I *have* seen it.{not going to hunt threads now...maybe later}) And really, its not any specific post, just a general, overall feeling I get from reading your collective posts. BTW...You, and others use that defense alot. "Quote me". "Give me a specific post in which I have said something hurtful/insulting/wrong." Etc. Any reasonably intelligent person can get a general sense of attitude and/or insinuation based on the tone of a post, just as easily as they can from direct comments. As to the "Love it or Leave" thing. Perhaps I shouldn't have said that. I'm sort of in 'Ultra-Patriot' mode. Forgive me? Normally, I hate that attitude. Recent events have made me less tolerant that I normally might be. Dammit...I said I wasn't going to debate...sorry! I really will be better after some sleep. L8R! ------------------ "In Memorium of those who are gone, and all those that bought our freedom with their hearts blood!" "May the Colors of Liberty never run" [This message has been edited by Nachtrafe (edited 09-14-2001).] |
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