Sad news. What´s the world coming to? (Loong)

[whacky]

[Q] What kind of human beings can do such a thing??? [/Q]

Sick, depraved people who have complexes and want a lot of attention.

[Avatar]

I am almost ashamed to say I goto university in Cambridgeshire! It's outrageous! The entire country is so shocked, and even worse this thing apparently happens all the time in the USA... is this true because I will not go there!

[K T Ong]

It's very sad indeed, but I agree with Al. Judging the murderers doesn't help -- we should instead inquire into why such things ever occur in the first place, and then tackle the causes.

[The Hierophant]

This doesn't appear to be a 'degradation' of society in the sense of society finally sinking to 'lower' levels of depravity. Unfortunately, child abduction, molestation and murder have been factors of human behaviour for a long long time (archaelogical evidence of which stems back to several thousands of years BC, and it will have definately happened for thousands of years prior to that). What appears to be happening now is that with increased media resources (of which there was particular mention in WillowIX's quote) people are merely informed of these disgusting incidents on a much more regular basis. The fact that it has always been a part of how some humans choose to interact with others does not make it any less repulsive, shameful or enraging. However, I would agree with Evil Al that the instinct to so quickly and violently destroy those who commit these acts merely perpetuates the cycle of bloodshed. There has to be an end to the killing somewhere, whether it be done by individuals or the state. Sick as some may be, as long as they live their lives may always have the potential to contribute *something*, despite the unending hatred and rage that people may feel toward them.

[Sigmar]

...Been following the story since day one, and when I heard about the final report I was lost for words. This was one of the few times in cases like this I thought they could have been returned alive, I was wrong.

I've said it once and i'll say it again, anyone who messes with innocent children deserves to die. No excuses, no sudden feelings of respect, no demands for human rights. Just kill them, for they are preventing our future from being a better place (or perhaps an even poorer place, who knows?). The past should fight with the past, not the future.

So I say screw the life sentence (if there is even going to be one), it might not be them, but the policwe seem to be sure. If it is them, then ship them over to America and kentucky fry their ass, I know it's not possible but one can hope. Bring back capital punishment.

[andrewas]

Anyone who posted that the murderers should be horribly killed :- Get real. That is not acceptable. And its not going to happen. What is going to happen is that the suspects will be put on trial, the fairest that can be arranged, they will be *proven* guilty and then they will be put in prison and be released in about 15-20 years time. Hopefuly longer.

Anyone who thinks the killing them will only "perpetuate the bloodshed" - consider - its not a group of people that do this, they are all individuals. They arent organised. Killing them isnt going to provoke their friends to avenge them. Its unlikely they *have* any friends any more. They are outside of society. Killing them may disuade others from trying the same thing, or it may not. But anything that reduces the risk to my children (assuming I ever have any) is something I support.

These people will *never* be able to lead a normal life. Even if they are treated and are judged safe to be released into the general public, they will still have to live with what they have done, and with constant surveilance. A humane execution would probably be kinder than that.

And im not even mentioning the possibility they may try it again. Or the enormous cost to the state of protecting these people the rest of their life.

Of course with our current government and legislation I dont think its even legal to propose bringing back the death penalty.

[Neb]

Originally posted by Calaethis Dragonsbane: What kinda of a HUMAN would do that to CHILDREN?!

One that is no longer "human". In doing this crime it is my opinion that the killer(s) have forfeited their title as a "human", they therefore also lose all accompanying human rights. They won't even have the title of "animal" either, all they will be known as is "scum". They don't even have the rights of animals and should be tortured to a painful death. Maybe baked in radiation.....

If they must be allowed to live..... Throw them in a prison where the other inmates really hate childkillers. See how much they'll enjoy their f***ing crime then.

One problem with today's society is in my opinion that punishments for crimes as severe as this one aren't harsh enough. It won't be enough if they get away with simply being locked up....

[Kaltia]

Originally posted by Neb: quote: Originally posted by Calaethis Dragonsbane: What kinda of a HUMAN would do that to CHILDREN?!

One that is no longer "human". In doing this crime it is my opinion that the killer(s) have forfeited their title as a "human", they therefore also lose all accompanying human rights. They won't even have the title of "animal" either, all they will be known as is "scum". They don't even have the rights of animals and should be tortured to a painful death. Maybe baked in radiation.....

If they must be allowed to live..... Throw them in a prison where the other inmates really hate childkillers. See how much they'll enjoy their f***ing crime then.

One problem with today's society is in my opinion that punishments for crimes as severe as this one aren't harsh enough. It won't be enough if they get away with simply being locked up....[/QUOTE]Most people hate paedophiles in prisons anyway. Apparently they are the highest rate of suicide in prisons, and wardens do nothing to stop other prisoners beating them up.

[andrewas]

Originally posted by Neb: [QBThey don't even have the rights of animals and should be tortured to a painful death. Maybe baked in radiation.....[/QB]

Neb, what kind of human could do that, even to someone who has sunk as low as these people (usual statement about the fact that this is not certain yet). They may no longer be considered human (I agree with you there BTW, humans have an inbuilt psychological inhibition when it comes to harming children), but we are and we have to stay within the bounds of civilisation, especialy in those cases when it is so tempting to resort to that kind of barbarism.

[Feanor]

I'm going to agree with those who think these violators should be put to death.
Perhaps these people have developed obsessive thought patterns and boxed out reality, and perhaps over time they could be made to think and care about other people and not just themselves. However, I believe that once you take someone else's life, you have forfeited your right to your own. I think this is the clearest way to send the message to someone to not even THINK about trying something like this in our society, because it is not accepted.
The fact that an act is committed against children is much harder because children are supposed to be guarded by the elder people around them, not taken advantage of. I don't think the method of punishment should be cruel though; we use lethal injection in the USA. We can at least show them mercy then. It may be the last time they ever experience it.

[ 08-20-2002, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: Feanor ]