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04-23-2004, 08:51 AM | #102 |
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Vaanunu broke a law, and had to be judged in israel. How would we brought him here? He by himself did not want to return here.
He told highly classfied information about our nuclear potential. He sold it for 75000$ . He is a traitor, because he told it to damage israel. In the tapes that were recorded without his knowing he said "there should be no israel, only Palestine". Regardless of everything, skunk and people that thinks that slime a "holy person", he broke a law. Thus he deserved punishment. Now he is free person, or will be totally free after one year. Are terrorists acting according to the law? Now about Mossad. If you think skunk that they are a terrorists, then i am at loss. You tend to blame israel for all its worth, without even basic knowledge of the subject. According to you it is a fashistic (see our first debate when i only arrived here) state that harbours terrorists. About fashism. You claim that there are several cases of mistreatment and "mouth shutting" of political enemies of sharon. OK there were some cases when some arab knesset members were tried because of some meetings with hizbalah (!!!). Can every one that reads this post dig out the exact defeniton of fashist country and fashism in general? Here we have a democratic country. sharon was chosen in a democratic way. Our supreme court constantly messes with his desicions. He is investigated. Maybe he is corrupt. But it is a loooooooooooooong way from fashism. Mossad kills terrorists. It is an organization much like CIA. You name them terrorists too. In fact every agency of that type is a terroristic organization. Well GRU was (CIA of USSR) a terroristic organization by your defenition. Why that one was and ours is not? Because it served a terroristic regime, and killed enemies of the state. I am sorry but when you are a member of organization that wants to destroy israel, like tanzim, hamas etc, you are a terrorist. Mossad acts against only one group that wants to kill us in the first place. So now you hit a problem. Because of your defenition there are "good" and "bad" terrorists. Unless you claim that executing the murderers of our sportsmen was a crime. Since that it is clear that this defenition is b*** ***t, because there is no "good" or "bad" terror, you are in a dead end. Skunk, you are biased against israel. I can hardly think about any other possibility.
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04-23-2004, 09:36 AM | #103 |
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Why does Israel INSIST on using these crude assassination attempts!? They make Cyanide and Piano Wires for a Reason, Ariel Sharon! WAKE UP!!!
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04-23-2004, 10:05 AM | #104 | |
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People keep making this mistake on these forums. The act itself is not all you look at in judging things. If the US bombs a building in Fallujah that contains a cell of insurgents, it is fighting the enemy. When the insurgents responds by bombing the streets of Basra, it's an attack on civilians -- that's called terrorism. |
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04-23-2004, 10:15 AM | #105 | |
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Lots of stuff people say, including a lot of your stuff in this thread, makes me feel sick. But posting that helps no one. If you really think someone's being racist then report them. And then you wouldn't have to look so hurt and insulted in public, which is surely not something you want to do...
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You could call the bombing of London, a wartime terror tactic. Going in and grabbing a person that has broken law is not terrorism, because the end is exactly the action taken - to get the person. There may be substancial results from such an action, but the INTENT is that a violator of law is brought to justice. America did the same thing with Noriega, and now Hussein. To call all of this terrorism weakens the word, as it lumps in centuries of human actions in with the recent developments of the IRA, Al Qaeda, Hamas et al, which IMO should be isolatingly described. |
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Lots of stuff people say, including a lot of your stuff in this thread, makes me feel sick. But posting that helps no one. If you really think someone's being racist then report them. And then you wouldn't have to look so hurt and insulted in public, which is surely not something you want to do... [/QUOTE]Fair enough. |
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You could call the bombing of London, a wartime terror tactic. Going in and grabbing a person that has broken law is not terrorism, because the end is exactly the action taken - to get the person. There may be substancial results from such an action, but the INTENT is that a violator of law is brought to justice. America did the same thing with Noriega, and now Hussein. To call all of this terrorism weakens the word, as it lumps in centuries of human actions in with the recent developments of the IRA, Al Qaeda, Hamas et al, which IMO should be isolatingly described. [/QUOTE]Yes it *IS* terrorism. A law-abiding country would have issued an international arrest warrants for those that it wanted and followed extradition proceedings. Instead, it sent teams of murderers and kidnappers into sovereign democratic states on a trail of mayhem. That is state-sponsored terrorism, as I'm sure Ahmed Bouchikhi's family and the government of Norway would agree. Indeed the Mossad agent (Michael Harari) who oversaw the murder supplied the terrorist Sudanese PLA with arms who then went on to kill thousands of people with them... But you don't consider that terrorism because the victims weren't your own? Quote:
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There is NO difference between the KGB and Mossad - both were/are bad and both served regimes that paid/pay scant regard to international laws (esp. in the area of human rights). Quote:
And no, MOSSAD did not execute the murders of the Munich massacre because no-one ever stood trial for the crime - they murdered innocent men, because none of them had been convicted of the crime or even been indited - including that norwegian waiter who was gunned down in front of his pregnant wife! |
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04-23-2004, 09:38 PM | #110 |
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They were positively identified by the best secret servicemen on this planet. Not a single judge could have brought better justice upon them than the Mossad did.
*December 8 1972 Mahmoud Hamshari picks up the phone in his room in Paris, and explodes. He was one of the leaders of the Black September group. *April 6 1973 Basil al Kubaisi, a member of Black September, was gunned down in a Paris street. *April 9 1973 Another Black september member, Kamal Nasser is eliminated in Beirut. *January 22 1979 Chief operations for Black September Ali Hassan Salameh is killed by a remote controled bomb in Beirut. There wasn't a single innocent man among these names, they were all behind the screens in the Munich attack. Once again you show you have a very questionable look on who's innocent and who's not.
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