02-25-2003, 06:43 AM | #21 | |
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To clarify my above post I should say that it is the Reverse transcribase that has evolved through time, not all the different strains (if we only talk about HIV-1). Otherwise one could say that HIV-1 and HIV-2 shared a common ancestor and evolved differently. I am only talking about one specific strain. [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 02-25-2003, 06:46 AM: Message edited by: WillowIX ] |
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02-25-2003, 06:49 AM | #23 | |
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Anyway I tried to clarify my 1st post in this thread by editing the 2nd. That obviously didnīt work. I donīt see an edit in there.. So here it comes again (Iīm sorry if this get double posted): To clarify my above post I should say that it is the Reverse transcribase that has evolved through time, not all the different strains (if we only talk about HIV-1). And the most popular belief today about viruse development is that viruses originate from human/animal DNA. We have got a lot of junk in there. Otherwise one could say that HIV-1 and HIV-2 shared a common ancestor and evolved differently. I am only talking about one specific strain. [img]smile.gif[/img] Edit: Aarrgh!! And now the edit is showing! [ 02-25-2003, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: WillowIX ]
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02-25-2003, 08:00 AM | #24 | |
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EDIT : One could retort to you that if God was true and worked the way it was claimed, we would see only wise humans living in peace and harmony. If you admit that it takes a lot of time for the message of God to fully sink in our thick human brains, why can't you accept the long time it takes for a significant change in a specie to occur ? [/QUOTE]For the record: Evolution doesn't conflict with my religion, just with my sensibility. Moiraine, great thread! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] 1) Yes, but if evolutionary timelines are correct, I would think that humans should have evolved further, and our predecessors should not be around. 2) Christianity teaches about something called free will - the opportunity to be stupid [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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02-25-2003, 08:57 AM | #25 | |
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Bottom line: there is no such thing as weakness. Evolution favours those that happen to fit into their surroundings, not those who think they are stronger or fitter. A person with an IQ of 80 could have a resistance to a disease that wipes out 80% of the population. A high IQ or huge muscles cannot necessarily save you from disease. If all people die except for the 80-IQ person, then the 80-IQ person shall be the only one left to pass on their genes and shall become the 'norm' of the species as it were. Who knows how many times a species has been battered into shape by mass eradication (cheetahs for one seem to have had their genes 'bottlenecked' on quite a few occasions)? Who knows...
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There is one slight aspect of evolution and the whole "the world is billions old" thing:
It is not as much the past that is a problem as the future. See, the world is billions of years old and it will probably exist for billions of years into the future, but humanity sure WONT! We will just be another (though interesting) passage of natural history. Humanity risks insignificance under this prospect. Within the Jewish/Muslim/Christian world view where the world is only a couple of thousands of years old and will only last a pair of thousands into the future humanity (or humanity's relation to God) will be the turning point of history. We were there when it started and we will be the ones who will be closing down the party. It's not about geocentrism at all, but "homocentrism".
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Indemaijinj: I agree wholeheartedly with you on this one. From the notion that humans really arn't all that significant in the grander scheme of things comes despair. It is the idea that your life really doesn't count for a great deal when all is said and done that most people are simply unable to cope with. There is a need to be needed. Makes perfect sense really, but ultimately I believe that evolutionary theory is the ultimate dogma of humility: the calm acceptance of the smallness of our lives. Not resenting, not bemoaning, not despairing, but understanding that we really are just extras in the great ensemble-cast theatrical extravaganza of the universe [img]smile.gif[/img] It's the science of peace my friend.
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EDIT : One could retort to you that if God was true and worked the way it was claimed, we would see only wise humans living in peace and harmony. If you admit that it takes a lot of time for the message of God to fully sink in our thick human brains, why can't you accept the long time it takes for a significant change in a specie to occur ? [/QUOTE]For the record: Evolution doesn't conflict with my religion, just with my sensibility. Moiraine, great thread! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] 1) Yes, but if evolutionary timelines are correct, I would think that humans should have evolved further, and our predecessors should not be around. 2) Christianity teaches about something called free will - the opportunity to be stupid [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]I'm the same Leonis. As has been made perfectly clear by posters here, by Darwin, by so many people, THERE IS NO CONFLICT BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND EVOLUTION. I've rejected evolution purely and simply because it makes no sense to me. I do not have the faith to accept it's premises and have not seen any evidence that is yet to convince me otherwise. BECAUSE I am a Christian, there is an alternative scientific theory I can go with by default, and that is creationism (Creation Science). Unlike the atheist who HAS to believe in evolution, or hold to no scientificly accepted theory, I have a choice as to which theory I accept. But this is a CHOICE for me that does not conflict with my CHOICE to love God. |
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Besides, an atheist can also propose a new theory. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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