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09-30-2004, 09:20 AM
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Jack Burton
 Join Date: March 1, 2001
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Is it time to take drastic measures to ensure our safety from terrorist attacks.
I'm speaking specifically about the possibility that we should all carry photo id's and allow the authorities to take our fingerprints and keep them on file along with our photos. This would also allow us to reduce crime. Do you think this a reduction of our civil liberties that would be a step to far? Or are you of the opinion that if you haven't done anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about?
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09-30-2004, 09:39 AM
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Red Wizard of Thay
 Join Date: January 7, 2001
Location: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Mandatory personal ID's aren't and never have been an effective means of authentication. Even the newer biometric devices can't authenticate a party with complete certainty.
It only takes one... |
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09-30-2004, 10:17 AM
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40th Level Warrior
 Join Date: July 11, 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
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Every bit more government cataloging and recordkeeping we submit to just takes us one step closer to submission to totalitarianism. Hayek's egg has cracked long ago, and is about to fall apart. The real question is whether or not you want to rush headlong into the fact our whole system needs a good punch of the "reset button," or do you want to fight against that inevitability.
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09-30-2004, 12:18 PM
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The Dreadnoks
 Join Date: September 27, 2001
Location: Orlando, FL
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I think it's all in the mental programing. As a soldier, I have DNA, finger prints, and security validation on file. My ID card has a CAC chip in it, it allows me to log-in on computers in addition to opening gateways. It also has stuff on their that would put me at a personal loss if it ever found itself in the wrong place. That in itself to me is a *very* high security risk, and do not think the general populace would adhere to it. Then again, when scanned with the proper technology, there is *no doubt* who the ID card belongs to.
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09-30-2004, 12:46 PM
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Apophis
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Exchanging freedom for "safety" is never a wise course of action.
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09-30-2004, 06:35 PM
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Red Wizard of Thay
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Quote:
 -- but if I'm wrong this would be the first invincible card (hint: it's not).Like I said, it only takes one... |
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09-30-2004, 06:49 PM
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Ironworks Moderator
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I remember once seeing a quote that was something like:
"Someone that give up freedom for security lise both".
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09-30-2004, 06:50 PM
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Apophis
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It goes, "Those who would exchange freedom for security deserve neither"... I was quasi-paraphrasing it.
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09-30-2004, 08:17 PM
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Drow Warrior
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Actually, it's:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Ben Franklin Something with which I strongly concur.
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09-30-2004, 08:30 PM
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Jack Burton
Join Date: March 1, 2001
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I may be put in a situation soon where the authorities want to keep my fingerprints and photograph on file.
I have to make a decision soon about whether to go through with it. I am tending towards refusing. Can I trust Government?
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