Class. Mage. Wild Mage or Cleric

[Alson]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: Not true. You need to learn either Wish or Spell Trap to utilise your exploit. ...

Not true.
A Wild Mage only needs Limited Wish in order to gain Endless Spells - and Limited Wish is obtainable in Chapter 1.

Here is an explanation of how it works, if anyone is interested. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 11-22-2002, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: Alson ]

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Alson: Not true. A Wild Mage only needs Limited Wish in order to gain Endless Spells - and Limited Wish is obtainable in Chapter 1. Here is an explanation of you it works, if anyone is interested. [img]smile.gif[/img]

You forgot the disclaimer. Works for level 1-4 spells only. So... unless you enjoy running around without Spell Immunity, Skeleton Warriors, Mordenkainen's Swords, etc... the Wild Mage is still limited( no pun intended) in the Endless Spells tactics.

[Alson]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: You forgot the disclaimer. Works for level 1-4 spells only. So... unless you enjoy running around without Spell Immunity, Skeleton Warriors, Mordenkainen's Swords, etc... the Wild Mage is still limited( no pun intended) in the Endless Spells tactics.

No disclaimer is needed, here.
It is true that Limited Wish restores only level 1-4 spells... But what if the only spell you'll ever need is a level 1 spell? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

First, cast all your spells using NRD (don't forget - NRD allows you to cast spells from all levels), but make sure you still have one NRD memorized.
Casting (Improved) Chaos Shield beforehand, which stacks if they are cast through a Sequencer-type spell, is a good idea.

When you only have one NRD left, use it to cast Limited Wish, and pick the restore option.
Puff!
A new stock of NRDs. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Rinse and repeat.

ADD] Wohoo! I'm a Red Wizard of Thay!
Can i be a Red Wild Wizard, abusing NRDs? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 11-22-2002, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: Alson ]

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Alson: No disclaimer is needed, here. It is true that Limited Wish restores only level 1-4 spells... But what if the only spell you'll ever need is a level 1 spell? [img]tongue.gif[/img] First, cast all your spells using NRD (don't forget - NRD allows you to cast spells from all levels), but make sure you still have one NRD memorized. Casting (Improved) Chaos Shield beforehand, which stacks if they are cast through a Sequencer-type spell, is a good idea. When you only have one NRD left, use it to cast Limited Wish, and pick the restore option. Puff! A new stock of NRDs. [img]smile.gif[/img] Rinse and repeat. ADD] Wohoo! I'm a Red Wizard of Thay! Can i be a Red Wild Wizard, abusing NRDs? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

You cannot use Improved Chaos Shield, and using NRD to cast ICS is just asking for trouble. You can however, stack 2 CS using a Minor Spell Sequencer.

That is +30 to your dice roll. Assuming a level 20 Wild Mage, that will be a base of 51. Quite healthy, but not exactly failsafe. Remember... you only have 5 casts for level 5+ spells( reserve one for the restoring), and all your level 2-4 spells. Unless you use your NRD to cast Project Image. Now there is a thought. Since PIs can cast all their spells with wild abandon. Still... only 5 casts of level 5+ spells per shot? That is very restrictive.

Frankly, I would rather just hit the "Z" button. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

It is not wrong to say that this means a lot of reloading is required, but I can see the merit of it.

[Alson]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: You cannot use Improved Chaos Shield, and using NRD to cast ICS is just asking for trouble. You can however, stack 2 CS using a Minor Spell Sequencer.

Why can't i use ICS?

That is +30 to your dice roll. Assuming a level 20 Wild Mage, that will be a base of 51. Quite healthy, but not exactly failsafe. Remember... you only have 5 casts for level 5+ spells( reserve one for the restoring), and all your level 2-4 spells.

Six casts, actually, because Wild Mages get +1 spell per level.

Unless you use your NRD to cast Project Image. Now there is a thought. Since PIs can cast all their spells with wild abandon. Still... only 5 casts of level 5+ spells per shot? That is very restrictive.

What's so restrictive about it?
It only means that the sixth casting (seventh, actually, as i said above) will be a Limited Wish spell.

And don't forget the NRD is just like the Contingencies spells - 'alacrity-ignorer'! You, of all people, should know how powerful this is.

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Alson: Why can't i use ICS?

Wouldn't it be bitterly ironic if you get petrified trying to cast ICS?

Six casts, actually, because Wild Mages get +1 spell per level.

Alson... [img]tongue.gif[/img] General Mages only get 5 slots per level.

What's so restrictive about it? It only means that the sixth casting (seventh, actually, as i said above) will be a Limited Wish spell.

Maybe because people want to cast more than just 5 guaranteed level 5+ spells per battle? If you fail to cast your Limited Wish... it will not be inconceivable that the battle will get very ugly.

Take a look at the Wild Surge table and read all the effects for 51 and above. Using NRD is like russian roulette. It is fun, till you get the bullet.

And don't forget the NRD is just like the Contingencies spells -'alacrity-ignorer'! You, of all people, should know how powerful this is.

Wow. I casted 6 level 5+ spells. Woot. Sorry, not getting a rush. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Alson]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: Wouldn't it be bitterly ironic if you get petrified trying to cast ICS?

But that the whole point of playing a Wild Mage!
'Living on the Edge' and all... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Alson... [img]tongue.gif[/img] General Mages only get 5 slots per level.

Damn! I keep forgetting this!

Maybe because people want to cast more than just 5 guaranteed level 5+ spells per battle? If you fail to cast your Limited Wish... it will not be inconceivable that the battle will get very ugly.

Now, why would i fail? A bad surge?
So keep another reserve NRD if your scared. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Wow. I casted 6 level 5+ spells. Woot. Sorry, not getting a rush. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Not getting it, are you?
Use NRD to cast x2 Mordies, x2 ADHW and a Time Stop.
How about now? Is it getting to you?

[ 11-22-2002, 12:44 PM: Message edited by: Alson ]

[Dundee Slaytern]

How about... I use PRATI and unleash approximately tens time that amount? If not more. Mind you, I am being very generous here and assume all six of your NRDs cast properly. About 1:13841287200 chance... so you know. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Alson]

You can use the PRATI tactic... But you have to be level 18+ for that, and have specific equipment.

A Wild Mage, however, can cast spells a-la-Improved-Alacrity at Chapter 1.
I would like to see Odin Magnus do THAT. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

And just so you know - you're not as generous as you think you are.
Using two stacked Chaos Shields, a level 12 Wild Mage will have a base of 43.
Count the bad effect from 43 to 100.
Now, count the good and veeeery good results from 43 to 100.
Tell me if the ratio is closer to 1:13841287200 or to 1:1. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by Alson: You can use the PRATI tactic... But you have to be level 18+ for that, and have specific equipment. A Wild Mage, however, can cast spells a-la-Improved-Alacrity at Chapter 1. I would like to see Odin Magnus do THAT. [img]tongue.gif[/img] And just so you know - you're not as generous as you think you are. Using two stacked Chaos Shields, a level 12 Wild Mage will have a base of 43. Count the bad effect from 43 to 100. Now, count the good and veeeery good results from 43 to 100. Tell me if the ratio is closer to 1:13841287200 or to 1:1. [img]smile.gif[/img]

By good, I hope you mean the spell does what it is told. There is no point having a Teleport Field on yourself if that was not what you wanted. More so if you already have one active. So... ...

By Useless, I mean the result is not the optimal result.

43: Useless
44: Bad
45: Useless
46: Useless
47: Extremely Bad
48: Good
49: Useless
50: Extremely Bad
51: Useless
52: Useless
53: Extremely Bad
54: Good if you have PfEvil, Bad otherwise
55: Very Good
56: Good
57: EXTREMELY BAD
58: Good
59: Useless
60: Very Good
61: Good
62: Extremely Useless
63: Useless
64: Useless
65: Can be good, can be bad.
66: Useless
67: Bad
68: EXTREMELY BAD
69: Useless
70: EXTREMELY Bad
71: Useless
72: Useless, can be bad
73: VERY GOOD
74: Useless
75: Good
76: Useless
77: Good
78: Good
79: Good
80: Bad
81: Useless
82: Bad
83: VERY GOOD
84: Useless
85: Bad, if funny
86: EXTREMELY BAD
87: Useless
88: Useless
89: Useless
90: VERY GOOD
91: Bad
92: Useless
93: Good
94: Bad
95: Bad
96: Good
97: Good
98: Bad
99: Good
100: Good

So that is about 20 good chances at best. 10:29 once, and...

... about 1681171:1000000000 for six times. Or... about 0.15%... ...