Playacting in soccer - gamesmanship or cheating?

[norompanlasolas]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by norompanlasolas: the penalty wasnt a penalty. the turk shouldnt have been sent off. the last minute free kick for turkey the brazilians clearly didnt respect the 9mt distance for it, and rivaldo should have been sent off. but well, its only normal that the receive these "favors" from the referees in the world cup. i cant wait to play them and make them eat the grass.

Noro - please explain 'The Hand of God' to us? [/QUOTE]eeeeh.... ehhhrrrrmmm... well, maybe it was a handball, but the 2nd one was worth double!!!!!!!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Grimslade]

I think its disgusting. I love the world game, but to see that happen even on an international scale adds an element of ridicule to soccer which shouldn't be there. It's no wonder that nearly all my friends think Soccer is a 'weak' game, and think that Aussie rules football is better.

[Vlad Tepes]

The penalty WASNT a penalty. BUT the turksish should have been sent off, if u take a look at the rules of soccer, "if the last man of the defence hit the opposite player and stop the play, making a foul, he must be sent off as he stopped the progress of a goal-chance play"

The guy who shot the ball should have received a yellow card, just like Rivaldo, but as the turkish guy already had an yellow card he should have been sent off...so Rivaldo's acting could have only resulted in a yellow card for him, as the turkish guy had to be sent off whatever was the reaction of Rivaldo.

If u guys want to complain at something u should focus at the penalty that didnt happened, it was outside the area.

And about the previous post that said something about "its of common use in the south-america this kind of cheating" any of u remember that world cup that England, i may be wrong about the team who won, beat Germany in the final with a goal that didnt happened - the ball
hit the post then hit the goal-line and didnt enter - so before u make a statement make sure it's a fair one and don't forget to look at ur own mistakes bfore pointing at other people flaws.

Thanks, by the way i voted it IS cheating, even tho it's of common use ALL over the globe.

[ 06-04-2002, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: Vlad Tepes ]

[johnny]

memnoch, you know that wasn't my intention, but i'll give you an example. About four seasons back feyenoord bought one of the greatest argentinian talents from that moment, julio ricardo cruz. In his first match for feyenoord he faked being tackled and got a penaltykick out of it. Now he was all smiling and stuff but instead his teammates congratulated him with earning them the penalty, they gave him angry looks and cursed him out. Overhere such a thing is simply not done. You should have seen the look on his face, he was truly amazed, he thougt he did something right. So you see, overthere it is completely different than in (some) european countries

[Horatio]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by norompanlasolas: the penalty wasnt a penalty. the turk shouldnt have been sent off. the last minute free kick for turkey the brazilians clearly didnt respect the 9mt distance for it, and rivaldo should have been sent off. but well, its only normal that the receive these "favors" from the referees in the world cup. i cant wait to play them and make them eat the grass.

Noro - please explain 'The Hand of God' to us? [/QUOTE]Oh, and how it stings! Nice one, Donut, that little jab made my day!

[Suzaku]

Desperation to win...

Remember the solgan:

"FIFA Play Fair"

Be a man and win fair-and-square, as they say. (Females can still play honourably too right? [img]smile.gif[/img] )

[Donut]

Originally posted by Vlad Tepes: The penalty WASNT a penalty. BUT the turksish should have been sent off, if u take a look at the rules of soccer, "if the last man of the defence hit the opposite player and stop the play, making a foul, he must be sent off as he stopped the progress of a goal-chance play" The guy who shot the ball should have received a yellow card, just like Rivaldo, but as the turkish guy already had an yellow card he should have been sent off...so Rivaldo's acting could have only resulted in a yellow card for him, as the turkish guy had to be sent off whatever was the reaction of Rivaldo. If u guys want to complain at something u should focus at the penalty that didnt happened, it was outside the area. And about the previous post that said something about "its of common use in the south-america this kind of cheating" any of u remember that world cup that England, i may be wrong about the team who won, beat Germany in the final with a goal that didnt happened - the ball hit the post then hit the goal-line and didnt enter - so before u make a statement make sure it's a fair one and don't forget to look at ur own mistakes bfore pointing at other people flaws. Thanks, by the way i voted it IS cheating, even tho it's of common use ALL over the globe.

1966 isn't the same thing at all. Nobody has ever claimed that England cheated to win the game. Rivaldo is a cheat pure and simple, and like Maradona he is proud to be a cheat. As long as you don't get caught it's 'okay' to cheat.

Here's a hypothetical question for you. Your team is playing in an important cup tie when one of your players is injured. The opposition put the ball out for a throw in so that your player can receive treatment. Convention dictates that the fair thing to do is to throw the ball back to the opposition when the game restarts. For some reason a couple of your players don't do this and your team scores from the restart. The opposition are naturally furious about this and their manager threatens to take his players from the field.

What should you do?
If you go on to win the game what should happen next?

[ 06-05-2002, 05:09 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by Donut: Here's a hypothetical question for you. Your team is playing in an important cup tie when one of your players is injured. The opposition put the ball out for a throw in so that your player can receive treatment. Convention dictates that the fair thing to do is to throw the ball back to the opposition when the game restarts. For some reason a couple of your players don't do this and your team scores from the restart. The opposition are naturally furious about this and their manager threatens to take his players from the field. What should you do? If you go on to win the game what should happen next?

Something like happened in the Premier League some years ago - one team had an injured player and sent the ball out of play. While everyone was running up to check on the injurie, one of the opposing players quickly took the throw-in, and three of them ran (almost unopposed) up and scored. That raised a huge debate about sportmanship and fairplay.

(IIRC it was Arsenal-players)

[Vlad Tepes]

Ahn Donut i kind didnt get u here... i mean are u saying that Rivaldo acting gave Brazil the victory? Oh, and if u are saying that Luizao faked that penalty, thats exactly wut happened in 1966 when the referee saw something that didnt happened, the same thing that happened in korea a few days ago...

[Donut]

Originally posted by Vlad Tepes: Ahn Donut i kind didnt get u here... i mean are u saying that Rivaldo acting gave Brazil the victory? Oh, and if u are saying that Luizao faked that penalty, thats exactly wut happened in 1966 when the referee saw something that didnt happened, the same thing that happened in korea a few days ago...

No I don't think it gave Brazil the victory. But he was pretending that he had been hit in the face so that The Turk would get sent off. if Luizao dived to get a penalty then that is also cheating. No English player cheated to get the goal in 1966. It takes some form of action on the part of the cheat for it to be dishonest.