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Skunk - you also deserve a "thumbs up" for explaining how these attacks are more damaging to the American military than the local inhabitants. Don't know if I agree with your assertion about large cities like Baghdad surviving on well and river water, but you still added good insight as to why the attacks make sense from the insurgent POV. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [ 06-11-2004, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: Cerek the Barbaric ]
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Well, my grand mother, who was 12 and living in Paris during the german occupation explained me well last time how seeing a foreign army controlling and ruling your country can bring pure hate in the most pure and clean heart (hers for example).
She said that she was too young at that time, but were she older, she would have done anything, hear me well there : *anything* to harm the occupying army, and even more to make the whole french population rise against them for good. That is exactly what the insurgents are trying to do in Iraq at the moment. And that's most likely what most of you would do if your country was occupied, no matter by who, no matter why.
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Or, if you can't, just imagine a foreign army controlling your city ! Imagine a bunch of guys, well armed, and speaking french or chinese, or whatever, walking in your streets, acting like policemen and trying to tell you what to do. Imagine that. Can you ? And can you tell me for sure that you wouldnt be hateful toward them ? EDIT : I know that, beyond all my crappy pacifist ideas, I would. Oh yeah, I would... [ 06-11-2004, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Masklinn ]
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Not to disrespect your grandmother, but for you to say " no matter by who, no matter why" oversteps her experience and assumes too much.
Did you ever ask her if she hated the Allies who landed and occupied France starting on June 6th of 1945 were as hated as the Nazi's? Were they only cheered as they entered Paris because DeGaul was allowed to lead to parade, or would they have been cheered anyway for evicting the Nazis? Did the fact that they were there to liberate from an oppressive regime and restore French leadership factor into the "hate" equation? To say "no matter who, no matter why" is far too simplistic. In fact, it is silly.
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Al-Sadr offers conditional support
Fresh from negotiating a truce with US forces in Najaf and Karbala, Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr lends conditional support to the Iraqi transitional government. Al-Sadr said he would cooperate with the new government on the condition that it provide a deadline for the end of the US-led occupation of Iraq. "I support the new interim government...help me take this society to the path of security and peace," he said in a statement read by an aide before a Friday prayer congregation in Kufa. "Starting now, I ask you that we open a new page for Iraq and for peace," his statement read. Al-Sadr had earlier vehemently opposed the nomination of Shia secularist Iyad Allawi as Iraq's interim prime minister but appears to have bowed to pressure from other Shia leaders. Najaf clash Meanwhile, AFP reported that Friday prayers in Najaf were halted when rival Shia factions allegedly threw stones at one another. Witnesses said Al-Sadr supporters clashed with members of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) as they entered the Imam Ali mosque. In Baghdad, Sunni cleric Ahmad Hassan al-Taha used the Friday sermon to criticise the new transitional government as a by-product of US occupation. He accused unnamed members of the transitional government of acting as proxy agents for the US State Department and Department of Defence. "Iraq is heading to chaos," he said. (AlJazeera) |
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I am pretty sure that if they did free us then stayed for a year or more, ppl would have started to hate them as well. Instead of that they freed us and left, and for that we are forever grateful. And that is the correct way to free a country from a brutal opressor. Sometimes history should repeat itself. [img]smile.gif[/img] And don't dare tell me that a foreign army, with different culture, religion and language, occupying your country wouldnt piss you off. C'mon Ronn, I know it would. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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And you may not agree with my point of view, you may explain why, but please don't say it's "silly". Especially in this case.
You just can't imagin US being invaded, can you ?
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