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Sorry all. I'll get me coat! [/QUOTE]Donut, you are the last true Knight in this world, even if you are a Brit !
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10-25-2002, 10:42 AM | #42 | |
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10-25-2002, 11:08 AM | #43 | ||
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Communism (litt. common ownership of property) is a development on Socialism (by Lenin), where revolutions should make way for a classless society: "from everbody after ability - to everybody after need." (roughly) - no Communist state ever reached that point. Quote:
------------- In Denmark we have free social and medical care (and free schools - something I've reaped the benefits of) - the cost is that we pay 50-60% taxes. But it is only a tiny minorety that would abolish the 'velfare state'. People see the benefits of a social network (incl. hospitals). [ 10-25-2002, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Ar-Cunin ]
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10-25-2002, 11:19 AM | #44 | |
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but more seriously - every country has its own prioreties. In the US this includes gigantic military spending to defend itself from forign enemies (real and percieved) - European contries also maintain military forces - but seem to find money for other things as well (incl. heathcare)
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10-25-2002, 11:19 AM | #45 | |
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10-25-2002, 11:26 AM | #46 | |
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Sorry all. I'll get me coat! Im sorry. Am I supposed to disregard a persons statements and only remember the ones in the current issue? Guess I need to learn the proper form. Lets see. Donut says.... Ahh skip it [img]smile.gif[/img] I'll just let you remind me [img]smile.gif[/img] And by the way, Moiraine did mention a socialist government. Read back a ways.[/QUOTE] [ 10-25-2002, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ] |
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10-25-2002, 11:35 AM | #47 | |
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"Oh, and MagiK, we had to wait for a socialist government" This is exactly what you said. You said you had a socialist government, which is not true. You have a Republic with a socialist PARTY that is or was in power. Before you got nasty there I was giving you the benefit of the doubt since English may not be your first language so I didn't want to pick on your phraseology. But since you made such a big stink about it.... I interpreted your words in an acceptable way and retract my apology. I will beg your pardon instead, for attempting to be gracious. [ 10-25-2002, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ] |
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10-25-2002, 11:38 AM | #48 |
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The state gets the $$$ to cover health care by SETTING LIMITS on what Doctors can charge. "UNFAIR!" you say - "I want my anaestesiologist to make $1.2 mil. a year 'cause he deserves it and his country club dues are really expensive!"
Actually, the reason we are so cool with doctors charging so much is likely (1) time investment to become a doctor, and (2) medical school is really f** expensive. Well, either subsidize doctors' med school expenses or set limits on tuition hikes as well (god, do we need this in America - and you Americans on this thread should ask the Euros how expensive their school is). Then, you take away part of the justification - and for the better good of all. Step 2, limit the amount recoverable for "pain and suffering" and "emotional" damages in medical malpractice cases. We've done this in a hell of a lot of other parts of the law - even phen fen spurred such claims-limiting measures. You would not believe what lowering their insurance premiums will save doctors and hospitals per year. Step 3, since we're starting in that direction, clean up problems with the insurance system an industry - the root of our health care woes. This is too big a can of worms to open here, and should be another topic. But, I will say that a pimply 18-year-old looking at a coverage matrix in some office has no business telling the Doctor on the phone who wants to approve a needed surgery that "no, we don't cover that." Likewise, insurance means nothing if you declare bankruptcy, reform your company under the reorganization bankruptcy chapter, and leave people literally out in the cold every time a plane hits a building, a hurrican makes landfall, or any other disaster happens. Bullshit Ins. Co's - the single biggest evil in the world today. Sorry, I know I said it should be another topic. So long as a decent life is available in the profession, people will still be doctors. Either that, of Hipocratus was all screwed up to begin with. So, we reduce the cost to become a Doctor and limit the amount chargeable for certain services. There's no need for it to be the equivalent of winning the lottery. |
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And while we are on the subject, you mentioned that paying attention to what someone really says is common courtesy. I wonder if you really want to compare that particular issue around the board? I think mistakes, both unintentional and purpously spiteful and intentional are quite prevelent around here and I may not be the biggest offender. just food for thought. |
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