cloak and dagger

Faceman · 12-09-2003, 05:29 PM

I'm currently in a discussion on dict.leo.org about the German translation of cloak and dagger. Their dictionary proposes "Mantel und Degen" which goes somewhere along the line of "coat/cape/cloak and epee/rapier"
My point is that the German "Mantel und Degen" is only used for "Mantel und Degen Filme" which are films similar to "The three Musketeers" referring to their capes (=Mantel/Umhang) rapiers (=Degen).
However the English "cloak&dagger" for me always represented something mysterious, something involved with espionage.
My question:
Are there "Cloak&Dagger movies" and do they represent something like Alexandre Dumas' novel or are they in fact movies about espionage? Or am I right and this is a mistranslation?

Bungleau · 12-09-2003, 10:00 PM

Cloak and dagger, as I'm familiar with it in the US, relates to espionage type activities... things carried out under a cloak of darkness where a dagger, a nice, silent, and quick weapon, is a primary way of "handling" things.

Sometimes, things just don't translate well between languages. I've suffered through a few...

Jorath Calar · 12-09-2003, 10:04 PM

Only Cloak and Dagger I know are the "Villians" from the Spiderman Comics I read when I was a kid... [img]smile.gif[/img]

12-09-2003, 05:29 PM	#1
Faceman Hathor Join Date: February 18, 2002 Location: Vienna Age: 42 Posts: 2,248	I'm currently in a discussion on dict.leo.org about the German translation of cloak and dagger. Their dictionary proposes "Mantel und Degen" which goes somewhere along the line of "coat/cape/cloak and epee/rapier" My point is that the German "Mantel und Degen" is only used for "Mantel und Degen Filme" which are films similar to "The three Musketeers" referring to their capes (=Mantel/Umhang) rapiers (=Degen). However the English "cloak&dagger" for me always represented something mysterious, something involved with espionage. My question: Are there "Cloak&Dagger movies" and do they represent something like Alexandre Dumas' novel or are they in fact movies about espionage? Or am I right and this is a mistranslation? __________________ \"I am forever spellbound by the frailty of life\"<br /><br /> Faceman

12-09-2003, 10:00 PM	#2
Bungleau 40th Level Warrior Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: Western Wilds of Michigan Posts: 11,752	Cloak and dagger, as I'm familiar with it in the US, relates to espionage type activities... things carried out under a cloak of darkness where a dagger, a nice, silent, and quick weapon, is a primary way of "handling" things. Sometimes, things just don't translate well between languages. I've suffered through a few... __________________ B Save Early, Save Often Save Before, Save After Two-Star General, Spelling Soldiers -+-+-+ Give 'em a hug one more time. It might be the last.

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Jorath Calar Harper Join Date: October 6, 2001 Location: Iceland Posts: 4,706	Only Cloak and Dagger I know are the "Villians" from the Spiderman Comics I read when I was a kid... [img]smile.gif[/img]

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