Heh, Raise the Fist

[dizzy]

Like I said, I don't think our governemtis even near perfect but it is better than any other. So stop trying to twist my words around.

[Neb]

Originally posted by dizzy: And for not being in our country,Neb, how the hell do you know what this war is about? EDIT: It will be best for you or anyone else not to reply to these. I won't dignify them with a response anyways.

Because it has been shouted out all over the world as "The War on Terrorism"? [img]tongue.gif[/img] So therefore it's obviously a war to stop all terrorists, and I have heard of what's been done in the name of the War. And what people had attempted to do. Like Operation TIPS. Pure freedom-ish american goodness, there.

[Oblivion437]

I'll quote the FPS Deus Ex for this one, "You can't fight ideas with bullets." That's true, you can't simply kill terrorists, you have to prove them wrong. Their motive has to be undermined in order to stop their actions. That's just how it is.

[Neb]

Originally posted by dizzy: Like I said, I don't think our governemtis even near perfect but it is better than any other. So stop trying to twist my words around.

Never said that you claimed it to be perfect. But there must be SOMETHING about it which makes it better than all of the others, something that they don't have. And what is that?

Neb,
I realize that I am not a moderator and can't ask this of you and expect you to obey but I am going to ask anyway. Please stop pushing the envelope with Dizzy. He already said he is not going to dignify anyone's replies to what he had to say with a response. Just leave it at that out of respect for a fellow member of IW OK?
It takes an insider to see all the aspects of this country good and bad so until you live here for some time you really can't argue his point with any validity. Not just that, but when people ask to stopped being pushed and someone insists on shoving, it only leads to further arguing that has no resolve and bad feelings where there shouldn't be any. Ask around, most everyone can tell you that I ought to know that well here...and not from being the person doing the shoving...let's just drop any arguments with Dizzy over this one OK?

[ 07-30-2002, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: Moni ]

[Donut]

Originally posted by dizzy: Like I said, I don't think our governemtis even near perfect but it is better than any other. So stop trying to twist my words around.

I bow to your extensive knowledge of world politics.

[ 07-30-2002, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

And I bow to yours. [img]graemlins/moon.gif[/img]

[norompanlasolas]

Originally posted by Moni: Neb, I realize that I am not a moderator and can't ask this of you and expect you to obey but I am going to ask anyway. Please stop pushing the envelope with Dizzy. He already said he is not going to dignify anyone's replies to what he had to say with a response. Just leave it at that out of respect for a fellow member of IW OK? It takes an insider to see all the aspects of this country good and bad so until you live here for some time you really can't argue his point with any validity. Not just that, but when people ask to stopped being pushed and someone insists on shoving, it only leads to further arguing that has no resolve and bad feelings where there shouldn't be any. Ask around, most everyone can tell you that I ought to know that well here...and not from being the person doing the shoving...let's just drop any arguments with Dizzy over this one OK?

ok. i dont get it. he posts an opinion and then tells everyone not to bother responding cause he is not going to "dignify anyones answers to what he had to say with a response"???

whats the point of posting in a FORUM if you are not going to want people to reply to you??? i mean, if he really didnt want to discuss this issue, he could just exit the thread and not post. and not write a pretty controversial post (thus highly likely to get responses) and they say... hey, i dont care what you have to say. your answers are crap anyways, so im not even going to bother responding them so i dont give them more credit than they are due... yeah, right, whatever...

[Epona]

Originally posted by Moni: It takes an insider to see all the aspects of this country good and bad so until you live here for some time you really can't argue his point with any validity.

In which case, how could anyone claim that your govt is better than anywhere else unless they have lived everywhere else because as you said, it takes an insider to know...

[Neb]

He said that he wasn't going to reply, but perhaps someone else could answer if they had the same opinions as him.

And it just plains annoys me when you've hardly even begun a discussion and someone just goes: "I can't be bothered to discuss this any longer. Just shut up about it already." I can understand that if it's a highly emotional issue, but in cases like this I just find that it's plain rude.

*shrug* Well, no matter, I shall leave it alone unless some other american is willing to carry on the discussion? I CAN argue about the american government even though I haven't experienced it. Because there ARE such things as "the news" which sometimes speak of the US government. Oh, and I echo Epona's comment.

Another thing, I had to reply to one of this since he was accusing me of attempting to twist his words around when I was not.