Manual is soo bad

Gedd · 07-23-2002, 04:26 AM

Cant believe how hastily written the manual is! quite a lot omitted (or at least difficult to find).
Wasn't sure if the combat modifiers are the same as the BG series. Can someone clarify how dexterity and strength modify the attack and dammage rolls for melee and ranged weapons?
i suspect it is
melee - to hit +strength mod, to dammage +stre mod
ranged - to hit +dex mod, to dammage +stre mod??

thanx in anticipation..

Morgeruat · 07-23-2002, 01:40 PM

the number to the right of your strength/dex score is your modifier, both to hit/damage (yes it's the same bonus now) and for any abilities that use that ability, say you have a 16 dex (+3 mod I think) then with a bow you would receive a bonus of +3 to hit, if you have a 17 strength (+3 still) you get get +3 to hit and +3 to damage with your weapon, unless you're using a light weapon and have weapon expertise (in which case you use your dex bonus instead)

Ranged weapons don't use the strength mod for damage unless you have a composite bow (long or short) and I think hurlded misile weapons (throwing axes, shuriken etc.) use str for damage bonus

AndyG · 07-23-2002, 05:15 PM

Remember that the manual isn't designed to teach you all the rules of D&D. There are other books available for purchase, as well as loads of web sites, and a lot of in game help. All the manual does is teach you to play the game, and give you an overview of the rules of D&D.

DraconisRex · 07-24-2002, 08:55 AM

Wow, harsh criticism.

For the casual "non-DnD" gamer, everything they need to know is there. For the long-time DnD players, everything we need to know is there, as well.

I've only had to pull out 3E rules to make sure there were some minor game-balance modifications to the 3E core rules in some of the classes.

And compared to the manual that came with Dungeon Siege or Morrowind, it's an encyclopedia.

Morgeruat · 07-24-2002, 09:44 AM

yup, Bioware has a good history with instruction manuals (the tome we got for Icewind Dale, and BG2, BG1 was slightly less, but had everything you needed, along with the books for the expansions) granted the hardest thing for me to find was the definition of "keen" since I don't own 3ed stuff, but if you root around for a while you can find it (I found it under the definition for improved critical)

07-24-2002, 12:17 PM

stats are like thi:

10-11 +0
12-13 +1
14-15 +2
16-17 +3
18-19 +4

etc....

Strengtgh adds to atack/damage in melee
Dex does same for ranged

karlosovic · 04-14-2003, 11:09 AM

If I buy a boxed PC game for $100+, I expect it to be fully documented. That means, if a weapon has a rule "mighty", I expect to be able to find out what the hell that means by reading the manual. Ive never played PnP D&D, and I dont think it should be a requirement of buying the game. They change half the rules to fit the PC adaptation anyway so nothing should be assumed.

I think they've definately dropped the ball on this one, especially considering the standard we've come to expect from the BG & IWD documentation

.... oh.. wait, what am I saying ? the BG 2 manual is FULL of things that were never implemented in the game... lol
oh well, what can you do ?

Raistlin Majere · 04-14-2003, 11:15 AM

But of course we have to remember that Black Isle was NOT a producer of NWN, so we cant expect quite the same level of class.(heh heh)

07-23-2002, 01:40 PM	#2
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 43 Posts: 5,421	the number to the right of your strength/dex score is your modifier, both to hit/damage (yes it's the same bonus now) and for any abilities that use that ability, say you have a 16 dex (+3 mod I think) then with a bow you would receive a bonus of +3 to hit, if you have a 17 strength (+3 still) you get get +3 to hit and +3 to damage with your weapon, unless you're using a light weapon and have weapon expertise (in which case you use your dex bonus instead) Ranged weapons don't use the strength mod for damage unless you have a composite bow (long or short) and I think hurlded misile weapons (throwing axes, shuriken etc.) use str for damage bonus __________________ "Any attempt to cheat, especially with my wife, who is a dirty, dirty, tramp, and I am just gonna snap." Knibb High Principal - Billy Madison

07-24-2002, 08:55 AM	#4
DraconisRex Avatar Join Date: January 4, 2002 Location: On my rear-end. Posts: 563	Wow, harsh criticism. For the casual "non-DnD" gamer, everything they need to know is there. For the long-time DnD players, everything we need to know is there, as well. I've only had to pull out 3E rules to make sure there were some minor game-balance modifications to the 3E core rules in some of the classes. And compared to the manual that came with Dungeon Siege or Morrowind, it's an encyclopedia. __________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?<br /><br />Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.<br /><br />Di! Ecce hora! Uxor mea me necabit!

07-24-2002, 09:44 AM	#5
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 43 Posts: 5,421	yup, Bioware has a good history with instruction manuals (the tome we got for Icewind Dale, and BG2, BG1 was slightly less, but had everything you needed, along with the books for the expansions) granted the hardest thing for me to find was the definition of "keen" since I don't own 3ed stuff, but if you root around for a while you can find it (I found it under the definition for improved critical) __________________ "Any attempt to cheat, especially with my wife, who is a dirty, dirty, tramp, and I am just gonna snap." Knibb High Principal - Billy Madison

04-14-2003, 11:09 AM	#7
karlosovic Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: December 1, 2002 Location: Newcastle, Australia Age: 46 Posts: 636	If I buy a boxed PC game for $100+, I expect it to be fully documented. That means, if a weapon has a rule "mighty", I expect to be able to find out what the hell that means by reading the manual. Ive never played PnP D&D, and I dont think it should be a requirement of buying the game. They change half the rules to fit the PC adaptation anyway so nothing should be assumed. I think they've definately dropped the ball on this one, especially considering the standard we've come to expect from the BG & IWD documentation .... oh.. wait, what am I saying ? the BG 2 manual is FULL of things that were never implemented in the game... lol oh well, what can you do ? __________________ Sunglasses of Coolness +2<br /><br />Cernd: \"It is with great pride and pleasure that I accept this Most Valuable Player award....\"<br />(from the genius of Six of Spades)

04-14-2003, 11:15 AM	#8
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 36 Posts: 2,323	But of course we have to remember that Black Isle was NOT a producer of NWN, so we cant expect quite the same level of class.(heh heh) __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

07-23-2002, 04:26 AM	#1
Gedd The Magister Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 119	Cant believe how hastily written the manual is! quite a lot omitted (or at least difficult to find). Wasn't sure if the combat modifiers are the same as the BG series. Can someone clarify how dexterity and strength modify the attack and dammage rolls for melee and ranged weapons? i suspect it is melee - to hit +strength mod, to dammage +stre mod ranged - to hit +dex mod, to dammage +stre mod?? thanx in anticipation..

07-23-2002, 05:15 PM	#3
AndyG Elminster Join Date: June 20, 2002 Location: Manchester, CT Age: 55 Posts: 422	Remember that the manual isn't designed to teach you all the rules of D&D. There are other books available for purchase, as well as loads of web sites, and a lot of in game help. All the manual does is teach you to play the game, and give you an overview of the rules of D&D.

07-24-2002, 12:17 PM	#6
Lord Shield Guest Posts: n/a	stats are like thi: 10-11 +0 12-13 +1 14-15 +2 16-17 +3 18-19 +4 etc.... Strengtgh adds to atack/damage in melee Dex does same for ranged

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