Smoking Ban

[Donut]

The perennial cry - "if you don't like it go somewhere else'. The answer to all problems.

Many of my friends smoke so it wouldn't be practical for me to go to a non-smoking bar. Anyway I'd miss the unforgetable aroma of stale smoke on my coat in the morning.

What I'd like is a smoke free bar that I could take my parents for a drink in.

[LordKathen]

Originally posted by Donut: The perennial cry - "if you don't like it go somewhere else'. The answer to all problems. Many of my friends smoke so it wouldn't be practical for me to go to a non-smoking bar. Anyway I'd miss the unforgetable aroma of stale smoke on my coat in the morning. What I'd like is a smoke free bar that I could take my parents for a drink in.

That, my friend, is the answer. If there is enough people out there who want a smoke-free bar, then it will work. It will be interesting to see how these new laws play out.

[Donut]

Originally posted by LordKathen: quote: Originally posted by Donut: The perennial cry - "if you don't like it go somewhere else'. The answer to all problems. Many of my friends smoke so it wouldn't be practical for me to go to a non-smoking bar. Anyway I'd miss the unforgetable aroma of stale smoke on my coat in the morning. What I'd like is a smoke free bar that I could take my parents for a drink in.

That, my friend, is the answer. If there is enough people out there who want a smoke-free bar, then it will work. It will be interesting to see how these new laws play out. [/QUOTE]No you haven't got my point. I have friends, they smoke, they want to go to a bar where they can smoke. So I have to suffer the foul smelling, stinkweed or not go out with them. Of course if they had to go outside the bar to pollute their lungs it could work, we could all be happy.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Donut: The perennial cry - "if you don't like it go somewhere else'. The answer to all problems.

If there is somewhere else for you to go, it is a fair answer -- and should be the first answer to all problems. If 2 people can go their own way and both live life as they please, why legislate their behavior? Sorry... behaviour?

Many of my friends smoke so it wouldn't be practical for me to go to a non-smoking bar. Anyway I'd miss the unforgetable aroma of stale smoke on my coat in the morning.

So are you saying you'd rather force your beliefs on them? If I were them I'd simply prefer you spare me your company.

What I'd like is a smoke free bar that I could take my parents for a drink in.

Fair enough. There should be non-smoking bars. I believe the market will provide them. There are certainly enough non-smokers (in the USA) to make such things viable. What you guys need on your side of the pond is a better anti-smoking campaign so you can enjoy the reduced rates of smoking we have seen over here. Unless things have changed since I was there in '99, every Britt will tell you that the USA has been much better at addressing this enviro/health problem.

[LordKathen]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by LordKathen: quote: Originally posted by Donut: The perennial cry - "if you don't like it go somewhere else'. The answer to all problems. Many of my friends smoke so it wouldn't be practical for me to go to a non-smoking bar. Anyway I'd miss the unforgetable aroma of stale smoke on my coat in the morning. What I'd like is a smoke free bar that I could take my parents for a drink in.

That, my friend, is the answer. If there is enough people out there who want a smoke-free bar, then it will work. It will be interesting to see how these new laws play out. [/QUOTE]No you haven't got my point. I have friends, they smoke, they want to go to a bar where they can smoke. So I have to suffer the foul smelling, stinkweed or not go out with them. Of course if they had to go outside the bar to pollute their lungs it could work, we could all be happy. [/QUOTE]Have you asked them if they would be happy with your plan? Or are you assuming they would be happy with going outside in the cold rain to have a smoke?

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Donut: I have friends, they smoke, they want to go to a bar where they can smoke. So I have to suffer the foul smelling, stinkweed or not go out with them. Of course if they had to go outside the bar to pollute their lungs it could work, we could all be happy.

I see. You haven't the chutzpah to ask your friends not to smoke around you, and you want the government to do it for you. BTW, who are you to define their "happiness??"

[Donut]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: So are you saying you'd rather force your beliefs on them? If I were them I'd simply prefer you spare me your company.

Well luckily for me they are my friends whereas you are not. I would like them to stop smoking but it's their decision so I hardly think you can say I'm forcing my beliefs on them. I would like them not to smoke in my vicinity and they try to minimise the amount of smoke which comes my way. But the bottom line is they enjoy my company and I enjoy theirs. That's why we are mates.

[ 05-12-2003, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]

[LordKathen]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: So are you saying you'd rather force your beliefs on them? If I were them I'd simply prefer you spare me your company.

Well luckily for me they are my friends whereas you are not. I would like them to stop smoking but it's their decision so I hardly think you can say I'm forcing my beliefs on them. I would like them not to smoke in my vicinity and they try to minimise the amount of smoke which comes my way. But the bottom line is they enjoy my company and I enjoy theirs. That's why we are mates. [/QUOTE]Except you are saying that while they have a smoke, you want them to go away. That is the bottom line. Its not enough that they make an effort to be conscienceous. You want them to leave. ??? Sounds like solid friendship to me...

[Donut]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Originally posted by Donut: I have friends, they smoke, they want to go to a bar where they can smoke. So I have to suffer the foul smelling, stinkweed or not go out with them. Of course if they had to go outside the bar to pollute their lungs it could work, we could all be happy.

I see. You haven't the chutzpah to ask your friends not to smoke around you, and you want the government to do it for you. BTW, who are you to define their "happiness??" [/QUOTE]The majority of smokers would like to be able to give them up, that defines their happiness - not me.

Just because you are a lawyer in real life doesn't give you the right to misrepresent what I say here. It's my decision to go to the pub but I would prefer it if it was non-smoking.

[Donut]

Originally posted by LordKathen: Except you are saying that while they have a smoke, you want them to go away. That is the bottom line. Its not enough that they make an effort to be conscienceous. You want them to leave. ??? Sounds like solid friendship to me...

The door is 5 yards away. It's hardly a lifelong seperation is it?

[ 05-12-2003, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Donut ]