Ehh? this is interesting

Jorath Calar · 03-01-2002, 04:32 PM

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm
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Somebody want to explain?

jabidas · 03-01-2002, 05:15 PM

Weird, I just assume their to scale version of the boeing is wrong and its smaller than the pictures suggest. If it is accurate thats bloddy weird, the grass being covered with sand is the oddest though.

khazadman · 03-01-2002, 08:45 PM

what did they expect?that the jet would be sitting there in one piece?that jet disentegrated when it hit the pentagon.and let me tell you,that is one VERY well built structure.and it had just been renovated so that it could withstand a large truck bomb.

SSJ4Sephiroth · 03-01-2002, 08:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by khazadman:
what did they expect?that the jet would be sitting there in one piece?that jet disentegrated when it hit the pentagon.and let me tell you,that is one VERY well built structure.and it had just been renovated so that it could withstand a large truck bomb.

Khazad, IIRC, the Pentagon was built out of wood during World War II to save on resources. Therefore, it wouldnt withstand 100 tons of fast-moving metal. Also, there would be pieces of the plane- and in rather large chunks. In every plane crash in history, INCLUDING into mountains, there has been plane wreckage easily found.

Azred · 03-01-2002, 09:23 PM

Well, several eyewitnesses did see an airplane descending rapidly towards the Pentagon building, but I don't recall if anyone actually saw the plane hit the ground and skid into the building. Most likely there would have been a large fireball blown into the sky, but again I can't recall if anyone saw this.
On the other hand, radar images do track the plane almost to the point of the Pentagon on a vector which coincides with the angle of impact. A plane hitting the ground first would have much of its momentum absorbed by the ground and disintegrate the plane; many crashes have this effect.
On the other hand, isn't it fortunate that that section of the Pentagon just happened to be a section which was "mostly evacuated" that day because of "renovations"?

Unlike the Murrow building in Oklahoma City, I highly doubt a truck would be able to get close enough to the Pentagon in an attempt to detonate a bomb. The security, even that early in the morning, would be too strict.

The sand on the grass was probably to prevent any grass fires from starting, producing smoke, and limiting visibility. And I'm not even from any governmental press agency. [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img]

andrewas · 03-02-2002, 03:45 PM

The damage caused to the pentagon does not seem to be consistent with a large aircraft - and certainly not the 757 shown. If I was shown a photo of that damage and asked to guess what caused it, I would say a light aircraft like a cessna or a ground vehicle. Possibly a suitcase bomb. But no way would a 757 cause that little damage - unless it struck some distance from the structure and the damage was cause by the explosion and chunks of debris.

Of course theres nothing I can see that the american military would want to cover up. I can think of plenty of hypothetical reasons, but none of them make a whole lot of sense.

Talthyr Malkaviel · 03-02-2002, 03:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by khazadman:
what did they expect?that the jet would be sitting there in one piece?that jet disentegrated when it hit the pentagon.and let me tell you,that is one VERY well built structure.and it had just been renovated so that it could withstand a large truck bomb.

Uh... I know there would be an explosion, but a plane wouldn't just disintegrate, there would be a huge amount of pieces of debris metal, and exactly how did they renovate it to withstand a truck bomb?

andrewas · 03-02-2002, 06:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel:

Uh... I know there would be an explosion, but a plane wouldn't just disintegrate, there would be a huge amount of pieces of debris metal, and exactly how did they renovate it to withstand a truck bomb?

Which is another point - look at any crash and the tail section is virtualy always recognizable. In most cases the cockpit is too, but that would be unlikly in this case. Anyway, thoses planes are extremly tough - something should have been visible, especialy with so little penetration into the pentagon itself.

And werent they in the process of renovating it? In which case the structure would be at its most vulnerable.

khazadman · 03-02-2002, 08:03 PM

the exterior walls absorbed the impact of the aircraft,they are made of brick,stone,and concrete.and now they have shatter proof windows and kevlar sheathing.the thing is not a mobile home.it's tough.

Talthyr Malkaviel · 03-02-2002, 08:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by khazadman:
the exterior walls absorbed the impact of the aircraft,they are made of brick,stone,and concrete.and now they have shatter proof windows and kevlar sheathing.the thing is not a mobile home.it's tough.

Well it was weak enough to get that damaged by something a lot smaller than a Boeing.. really, how can you expect all the bits of the plane to just be blasted beyond recognition, there would be huge chunks of metal and such.

03-01-2002, 05:15 PM	#2
jabidas Silver Dragon Join Date: March 14, 2001 Location: Agharti. Mountains of Madness Posts: 1,673	Weird, I just assume their to scale version of the boeing is wrong and its smaller than the pictures suggest. If it is accurate thats bloddy weird, the grass being covered with sand is the oddest though. __________________ <br /><br />Non Serviam.

03-01-2002, 08:50 PM	#4
SSJ4Sephiroth Beholder Join Date: May 4, 2001 Location: The Outside Looking In Age: 37 Posts: 4,361	quote: Originally posted by khazadman: what did they expect?that the jet would be sitting there in one piece?that jet disentegrated when it hit the pentagon.and let me tell you,that is one VERY well built structure.and it had just been renovated so that it could withstand a large truck bomb. Khazad, IIRC, the Pentagon was built out of wood during World War II to save on resources. Therefore, it wouldnt withstand 100 tons of fast-moving metal. Also, there would be pieces of the plane- and in rather large chunks. In every plane crash in history, INCLUDING into mountains, there has been plane wreckage easily found.

03-01-2002, 09:23 PM	#5
Azred Drow Priestess Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: a hidden sanctorum high above the metroplex Age: 54 Posts: 4,037	Well, several eyewitnesses did see an airplane descending rapidly towards the Pentagon building, but I don't recall if anyone actually saw the plane hit the ground and skid into the building. Most likely there would have been a large fireball blown into the sky, but again I can't recall if anyone saw this. On the other hand, radar images do track the plane almost to the point of the Pentagon on a vector which coincides with the angle of impact. A plane hitting the ground first would have much of its momentum absorbed by the ground and disintegrate the plane; many crashes have this effect. On the other hand, isn't it fortunate that that section of the Pentagon just happened to be a section which was "mostly evacuated" that day because of "renovations"? Unlike the Murrow building in Oklahoma City, I highly doubt a truck would be able to get close enough to the Pentagon in an attempt to detonate a bomb. The security, even that early in the morning, would be too strict. The sand on the grass was probably to prevent any grass fires from starting, producing smoke, and limiting visibility. And I'm not even from any governmental press agency. [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img] __________________ Everything may be explained by a conspiracy theory. All conspiracy theories are true. No matter how thinly you slice it, it's still bologna.

03-02-2002, 03:45 PM	#6
andrewas Harper Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Age: 42 Posts: 4,774	The damage caused to the pentagon does not seem to be consistent with a large aircraft - and certainly not the 757 shown. If I was shown a photo of that damage and asked to guess what caused it, I would say a light aircraft like a cessna or a ground vehicle. Possibly a suitcase bomb. But no way would a 757 cause that little damage - unless it struck some distance from the structure and the damage was cause by the explosion and chunks of debris. Of course theres nothing I can see that the american military would want to cover up. I can think of plenty of hypothetical reasons, but none of them make a whole lot of sense. __________________ [img]\"http://www.sighost.us/members/Zvijer/andrewas.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-02-2002, 03:49 PM	#7
Talthyr Malkaviel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: August 31, 2001 Location: Land of the Britons Age: 37 Posts: 3,224	quote: Originally posted by khazadman: what did they expect?that the jet would be sitting there in one piece?that jet disentegrated when it hit the pentagon.and let me tell you,that is one VERY well built structure.and it had just been renovated so that it could withstand a large truck bomb. Uh... I know there would be an explosion, but a plane wouldn't just disintegrate, there would be a huge amount of pieces of debris metal, and exactly how did they renovate it to withstand a truck bomb? __________________ Resident cantankerous sorcerer of the Clan HADB<br />and Sorcerous Nuttella salesman of the O.R.T<br /> <br /><br />Say NO to the Trouser Tyranny! Can I drill you about this?

03-01-2002, 04:32 PM	#1
Jorath Calar Harper Join Date: October 6, 2001 Location: Iceland Posts: 4,706	http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm [img]graemlins/confused2.gif[/img] Somebody want to explain?

03-01-2002, 08:45 PM	#3
khazadman User suspended until [Feb13] Join Date: December 6, 2001 Location: the south side of ol virginny Age: 62 Posts: 1,172	what did they expect?that the jet would be sitting there in one piece?that jet disentegrated when it hit the pentagon.and let me tell you,that is one VERY well built structure.and it had just been renovated so that it could withstand a large truck bomb.

03-02-2002, 06:36 PM	#8
andrewas Harper Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Age: 42 Posts: 4,774	quote: Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel: Uh... I know there would be an explosion, but a plane wouldn't just disintegrate, there would be a huge amount of pieces of debris metal, and exactly how did they renovate it to withstand a truck bomb? Which is another point - look at any crash and the tail section is virtualy always recognizable. In most cases the cockpit is too, but that would be unlikly in this case. Anyway, thoses planes are extremly tough - something should have been visible, especialy with so little penetration into the pentagon itself. And werent they in the process of renovating it? In which case the structure would be at its most vulnerable. __________________ [img]\"http://www.sighost.us/members/Zvijer/andrewas.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-02-2002, 08:03 PM	#9
khazadman User suspended until [Feb13] Join Date: December 6, 2001 Location: the south side of ol virginny Age: 62 Posts: 1,172	the exterior walls absorbed the impact of the aircraft,they are made of brick,stone,and concrete.and now they have shatter proof windows and kevlar sheathing.the thing is not a mobile home.it's tough.

03-02-2002, 08:09 PM	#10
Talthyr Malkaviel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: August 31, 2001 Location: Land of the Britons Age: 37 Posts: 3,224	quote: Originally posted by khazadman: the exterior walls absorbed the impact of the aircraft,they are made of brick,stone,and concrete.and now they have shatter proof windows and kevlar sheathing.the thing is not a mobile home.it's tough. Well it was weak enough to get that damaged by something a lot smaller than a Boeing.. really, how can you expect all the bits of the plane to just be blasted beyond recognition, there would be huge chunks of metal and such. __________________ Resident cantankerous sorcerer of the Clan HADB<br />and Sorcerous Nuttella salesman of the O.R.T<br /> <br /><br />Say NO to the Trouser Tyranny! Can I drill you about this?

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