But what IS the problem with the international criminal court?

[norompanlasolas]

i thought it was very clear but evidently not. the us opposition to the ICC is not because some us soldier is going to go on trial for wrongs comitted during a peacekeeping mission. or for a us citizen tried for murder or whatever (if an american kills someone in spain, for example, he is going to be tried by spanish laws and convicted and imprisoned in a spanish prison, with the usa having no say in it).

its only to save the likes of kissinger from going to jail thats its being vetoed. and of course, bush is covering his own ass thinking ahead, after he is no longer a president.

[The Hunter of Jahanna]

Some things are always going to be war crimes, aren't they. I think raping elements of the female population is one. Treating people as slaves is another. Death/concentration camps, yup. I can think of quite a number of crimes against humanity that are not going to be excusable in any war situation.

I couldnt agree with you more. Rapists are the scum of the earth and only deserve short extremly painfull lives. Concentration camps are also an abomination. If you are going to kill civilians , do it quickly. Dont herd them all together and make their death slow,painfull and pointless.

Another great difference between us and the animals, Hunter. They can kill only one at a time, generally speaking. We are in a position to destroy our planet, if we are mad enough. Given the technology we have at our disposal, cool headedness is all.

Maybe we should get on with it then ,instead of slowly poisoning the planet. Maybe what the world needs is a wakeup call to reprioritize things. Unfortunately , the drunken frat boys in charge of my country seem to be the ones who are going fire the first shot, as it were. Everyone is so caught up in so called "Patriotism" that I can see this thing in Afganastan turning into a genocide.

[Silver Cheetah]

Originally posted by The Hunter of Jahanna: quote: Some things are always going to be war crimes, aren't they. I think raping elements of the female population is one. Treating people as slaves is another. Death/concentration camps, yup. I can think of quite a number of crimes against humanity that are not going to be excusable in any war situation.

I couldnt agree with you more. Rapists are the scum of the earth and only deserve short extremly painfull lives. Concentration camps are also an abomination. If you are going to kill civilians , do it quickly. Dont herd them all together and make their death slow,painfull and pointless.

Another great difference between us and the animals, Hunter. They can kill only one at a time, generally speaking. We are in a position to destroy our planet, if we are mad enough. Given the technology we have at our disposal, cool headedness is all.

Maybe we should get on with it then ,instead of slowly poisoning the planet. Maybe what the world needs is a wakeup call to reprioritize things. Unfortunately , the drunken frat boys in charge of my country seem to be the ones who are going fire the first shot, as it were. Everyone is so caught up in so called "Patriotism" that I can see this thing in Afganastan turning into a genocide.[/QUOTE]Yes, some excellent points here, tho I don't agree with you 100% on all of 'em. But you wouldn't expect me to, now would you? [img]smile.gif[/img]

[/)eathKiller]

Well i understand why, i mean after all, the US doesn't want to play a role in the world court thing, theire constitution says that they must remain a single and free nation void of all other nations, there must be something between the lines about signing up with the court that places your own nation under its jurisditction or something like that... i'm not too sure myself... after all... im just a guy in cuba listening to this song over and over again... how am i supposed to gain any insight into the political system...

if it isn't that tho... i bet it has something to do with the death penalty... if the republicans have power then they don't want that ability taken away from them...

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[Scholarcs]

Perhaps if the US chooses not to respect the right of the ICC to try whoever it chooses, then perhaps Yugoslavia doesn`t have to either? Perhaps Milosovic should be realeased for trial in his own country? Well why not if the US thinks that it can try its own citizens in its own country?

And you wonder why people slam the US for having double standards. One standard for itself, one for the rest of the world.

[Silver Cheetah]

Originally posted by /)eathKiller: Well i understand why, i mean after all, the US doesn't want to play a role in the world court thing, theire constitution says that they must remain a single and free nation void of all other nations, there must be something between the lines about signing up with the court that places your own nation under its jurisditction or something like that... i'm not too sure myself... after all... im just a guy in cuba listening to this song over and over again... how am i supposed to gain any insight into the political system... if it isn't that tho... i bet it has something to do with the death penalty... if the republicans have power then they don't want that ability taken away from them... ---------------- yes

Shame, wanted to listen to the song, then realised I don't have any speakers! Like your sig!! Whaddya mean, 'if' the Republicans have power...... hehehehehe........ I think you just hit the naily on its little metal head thar boyo.........

[The Hunter of Jahanna]

Perhaps if the US chooses not to respect the right of the ICC to try whoever it chooses, then perhaps Yugoslavia doesn`t have to either? Perhaps Milosovic should be realeased for trial in his own country? Well why not if the US thinks that it can try its own citizens in its own country? And you wonder why people slam the US for having double standards. One standard for itself, one for the rest of the world.

I couldnt agree more , Solarcs. I think that Milosovic should be sent to his own county for trial and such. It is kind of pompous to think that all of the world has to live by the same standards.

[Chewbacca]

Well some people want to try Americans in that court for war crimes commited during the Vietnam conflict. Senator John Kerry from Massachusetts, for his public recounts of atrocities commited in Vietnam while he was a field leader of some sort and Henry Kissinger, amongst other Nixon cronies for the illegal bombing of Laos and Cambodia, among other crimes.

If the fact that any American wouldnt get the rights of due process (like protection from search and seizure as well as innocent til proven guilty) isnt enough to reject the court, then the idea that important Americans with lots of power and influence would be tried and probably convicted must be a prime policy motivator.

[John D Harris]

1)The US has had a long standing policy that it's military serves under no comanders but US comanders. It's the same kind of thing for soldiers accused of war crimes, the US military will clean it's own house. That may take time, more time then some people want but it will happen. Case in point the US pilot that dropped a bomb on the Canadians in Afghanistan has been releved of duties, and I beleive he is currently working his way through the US military justice system. In pilot terms he "screwed the pooch".

2) The US is a soveriegn Nation it doesn't have to do anything just because the rest of the world does. And neither does any other nation. That is what is meant by "soveriegn".

[Scholarcs]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: If the fact that any American wouldnt get the rights of due process (like protection from search and seizure as well as innocent til proven guilty) isnt enough to reject the court, then the idea that important Americans with lots of power and influence would be tried and probably convicted must be a prime policy motivator.

What the hell are you talking about? Milosovic had alot of power and influence, he is still being tried, why cant powerful Americans be tried?