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09-20-2003, 02:47 AM | #2 |
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That is great! :thubmsup: And true
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09-20-2003, 04:24 AM | #3 |
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War is evil? Then man must be evil! The human race has been killing each other since known history. Recent history, look at the Balkans, Africa, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, the list goes on. Ancient history, Greece, Roman era. American history, though very short and shallow as compared to the Eureopean's, 1775 the Army was formed. We killed our British brothers, cousins etc for our freedom.
Fast forward a 100 years, Civil War, again we are killing kin. A few years later the Indian wars were at there height. WWI and WWII we came as the Ally to help the invaded. Modern history brings us to the disaster's we call Korea and Vietnam. (The gov't was not fully committed to these "conflicts") So, where does the evil lie? Veterans from Vietnam faced agent orange, and mass casualties up close and personal. The smaller conflicts of the 80s were not so well executed, and some that transpired are still TS classified today, and the media showed us the disaster from Iran. The Cold War also ended in the late 80's. The 90's brought us DS/S, we were faced with lethal friendly fire, and PB pills. The VA says agent orange is responsible for some Vietnam era veterans health, the Gov't says it is not. The VA says PB pills is responsible for some of DS syndrome effects, the Gov't says it is not. So, where does the evil lie? Y2K brought us into other parts of the world that was TS classified before. We have been guinea pigs for the Anthrax vaccination. I have seen what the side effects of a reaction to Anthrax can do, the Gov't says it was not the Anthrax that caused it. Where does the evil lie? I have forevermore images ingrained in my mind that are still just as vivid today as they were back in 91. I have issues with my health that go unexplained. I used to wake up during the night, look at the clock, it would be the hour that related to my unit, every moring for years I would awake at 3:35. To this day, when in the field or displaced I still on occassion awake at 3:35. Fellow Conquerors, do not allow the Gov't to get away with it, I have learned that true patience is the true path. For with patience one can overcome the stupendously long and hard paper trail that lies bewteen us and the Gov't acknoledgememt of DS syndrome, and the affects of those PB pills. Where does the evil lie. War is not glorious, but freedom demands a high price. Without freedom, then what do you have? Without war, what are your options? In the face of the enemy, war is not glorious, but freedom demands a high price. Watch the news, read the paper, listen to what the Gov't is saying, then look further, look into the heart of the enemy terroritoy and see what the Gov't is really doing. Then united we stand, we must make the Gov't admit to what it says is not, and to acknolwledge what is being done. For war is not evil..... Felix
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09-20-2003, 06:10 AM | #4 | |
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The things to ask yourself are (with brutal honesty in mind, not mere patriotic euphoria): what exactly is your 'nation'? where did it come from? How does it work? What sustains it? and from there, you may develope alternative theories concerning 'freedom'. I really, genuinely, and with all due practicality, believe that there is absolutely NO need for war. That's not to say that war won't ever happen, just that if enough people are re-educated as to how to maintain a cohesive human mass-community, you'll find that many people will no longer want to go through all the hard work of waging war. Have you ever noticed how the hard-currency/political clout 'prizes' of warfare always tend to benefit the victorious state and it's supporting power-groups, and not the individual workers that keep the state running? Defending your territory from invasion is one thing, invading another person's territory because you think they might invade yours is another thing entirely. Your comrades that you know and love and respect are one group of people Felix, your government that uses you as a killing tool is another group entirely. You don't need them, but they sure as hell need you. (edit for typos) [ 09-20-2003, 07:43 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]
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09-20-2003, 06:21 AM | #5 |
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Oh, and Chewbacca, excellent article! It's heartening too see that there is yet hope for us all [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
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09-20-2003, 06:46 AM | #6 |
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War is not evil.
How one executes war is evil, but war itself is not evil. It is not the gun that killed, but the person who used the gun. My tank cannot kill you, but when my tank is manned and I'm given the order, then my tank "CREW" using the tank will kill you. My tank cannot go to war, but I can take my tank to war. Without war we also maintain stablization. What would happen if we pulled our plug in Korea and came home? What would happen if we pulled from the Balkans? Would war erupt, or would the people that have been killing each other for 100's of years go back to killing each other? War is not evil, it has no face, it has no name, but the perusers of war and how it is carried out is where you are confused. For war without fighters, is still war, but where is the evil?
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09-20-2003, 07:03 AM | #7 |
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That's just rhetoric. Waging war is evil, then.
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Yet your statements regarding Korea and the Balkans (indeed your profession itself)would indicate that you believe that the individual human must stop war with war, yes? This is where we differ in opinion. I think war can only be stopped, permanently, with self-actualisation: in teaching each individual human that to maintain a healthy community they need not follow orders at all . When the war-bands disperse, war ceases to exist. However, with prejudice being what it is at this particular phase of our species' development, letting go of prejudice cannot be done without risking utter devastation at the hands of those whom you 'assume' would attack you. A sad conundrum really. Yet the process of this re-education has already begun my friend. So long as one person believes it, their bretheren are legion. It may take thousands of years to take root, but we've got all the time in the universe. It really does take a huge amount of courage to walk away from a fight, trust me man, I know. You don't know whether your would-be opponent will attack you from behind, or find some other means to take you out. But this I know for certain, if you don't ever walk away, then you will never stop fighting. You will never find peace. And this prospect isn't pleasant, no matter how macho we might want to be. The cycle has to stop somewhere, and it's the people who do choose to walk away from the fight that shall be our species' real heroes...in the long run. So yes, we're very much alike Felix, we just use different methods to try and find peace, which is fine by me [img]smile.gif[/img] I wish you all the best.
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09-20-2003, 09:30 AM | #10 |
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War *is* evil - unfortunately though, there are an awful LOT of evil folk out there, so you will always need armed forces to
On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with setting starryed eyed kids straight on the realities of conflict and imbuing upon the idea that war is always to be considered as the *last resort* rather than an option that can be used in place of diplomacy. |
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