11-08-2004, 09:28 AM | #11 |
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Version 1 release candidates (rc) were good already. Any program can suck if you run an old version. But while we're at it I'd rather have my screen look like this (fluxbox window manager used):
If you don't want to run gnome or kde which are bloated both choose a lightweight manager which makes it easy to theme and create your own menus for. Some linuxes are starting to become as easy to use as windows but with a lot more depth. Of course it's not wrong for an OS to have it's own programs but linux programs are cross-platform. Linux doesn't have a register and is easy to configure, you can make it exactly as you want it. you can tell it where to go instead of windows telling you what you can or can't do. Linux is free, the security policy is implemented better. Further I second the winXP theme is ugly. Just remember. Nobody has to use linux it's all about choice. Linux = Choice. [ 11-08-2004, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: philip ] |
11-08-2004, 09:57 AM | #12 |
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Sorry to go a bit offtopic here, but that is a cool background picture Philip.
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11-08-2004, 10:10 AM | #13 |
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http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/magick-x/ it's this background but I use another theme on it.
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11-08-2004, 11:15 AM | #14 |
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First Linux I tried to install was TurboLinux. Version 6, I think... but I've put that memory behind me. The install was painful; I was installing it to a box I'd put together from spare parts, and it wanted me to identify makes and models of all the components. How should I know what frigging video card this has? It's six years old, for pete's sake!
Later, I got a copy of Red Hat 8. The installation was completely different... kicked it off, it asked me a couple of questions, and then told me what the hardware was and asked me to confirm. Far more user-friendly, for sure. Just as easy as installing XP, and a fraction of the cost. And just like XP, you can administer it right, or you can administer it the way it came out of the box. Only challenge I had was in setting up Samba, which worked for the file systems but not for the printers. And I don't need it for a print server any more anyway [img]smile.gif[/img] Am I biased one way or the other? No. I need to work on both sides. But it's not so clear and simple as one might think.
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11-08-2004, 12:44 PM | #15 |
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In many ways, most of us are spoiled by M$. GUI, themes, wizards, Plug n Play and etc.
Not all of us are techno wizards who like to install and configure every inch (or centimeter) of the OS. Most of us just like to use an OS which is easy to install and use. I do agree that XP is kind of bloated, but it is user friendly and stable. I can manage with DOS, but unix commands is just too complex for me. Why bother with all the hassle when you could have a user friendly OS? Yeah, XP is full of security holes; not to mention IE 5.x/6.x but convenience does has its price to be paid. Right now I am using Firefox 0.10.1 and ZoneAlarm Pro, which should secure my PC somewhat. Knowing that I do not have the time nor patience to play around with Linux, this is as "secure" as I can be while maintaining the ease of use.
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11-08-2004, 07:22 PM | #18 |
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I'll disagree with that. Over the last half a year I've installed Mandrake Linux 9.2 at least twenty times and it is a breeze. Compared to windows XP, the installation is about three times as fast, twice as easy, everything is set up and working. I also don't have to spend the half an hour I usually spend in WinXP getting rid of all the cartoons and shutting down services I don't need. Not to mention, I can choose exactly what's installed down to individual files.
The installation experience for me has been one of the best things about Linux. Hivetyrant - try Mandrake's distro - it's widely regarded as being the best for somebody new to Linux and I understand its graphical utilities are almost second-to-none allowing you to avoid the command line more or less completely. (although I'd recommend diving in, you'll never look back ) One of the best features is the fact that your personal files are left completely alone. Windows threatens to delete the contents of My Documents et al if I reinstall over another installation - Linux keeps it all completely separate and even has the desktop set up exactly how I had it before when I first boot it up. Pure class. EDIT: Just realised I forgot two of the most important good things about a Linux installation: 1) I don't have to spend a good half hour searching for cds and installing drivers for all my devices and restarting my computer ad nauseum. Linux detects them at setup and they work 'out of the box'. 2) I don't have to spent a good two hours (at least - I have a fast connection!) on the windows update site downloading large service packs and security updates to fix holes that should never have been there. Not to mention more interminable restarts because half of them have to be installed singly. [ 11-08-2004, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ] |
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1) A random computer user is having problems with their graphics card. Because of this, they can't load any graphical interface. BUT, they can boot to a command line, and use a console browser to find out how to fix their problem. 2) A blind person is having trouble with grapihcal browsers because their screenreaders can't hook into them properly. This particular screen reader reads exactly what is on the screen, rather than reading the DOM. This leads to problems with images and flash. This person COULD disable these things in the browser, but the computer is also shared by a person who needs those to be displayed for the work they do. So, instead of the jumping through hoops method of turning images on and off (which could be overlooked at any opportunity), the blind person can use the command line, and a console browser: the screenreader will have no problems because graphics don't exist, and as a bonus there will be no need for it to work out what different icons are. Quote:
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EDIT: On the note of find, it apears that my meaning was misunderstood. I wasn't commenting on the differences between MSDOS and Batch, but rather between Edit and Vim. "No find functionality" means that Edit doesn't have any way to search for a phrase in a currently open document. Every other text editor I have used, including MS Notepad and Vim, has this. [ 11-09-2004, 04:29 AM: Message edited by: LennonCook ] |
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11-09-2004, 05:35 AM | #20 |
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Lennon, you really enjoy trying to look smart dont you.
Im not going to bther arguing with the stuff you said, because most people will realise that you are extremely biased and strange, most of that did not make sense. You are just digging that hole deeper and deeper. |
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