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edit: oh, and mel, i read your post and also understood your views. [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 12-16-2002, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: norompanlasolas ]
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About Ronnie being the greatest living American, his greatest achievement ever was
` ` ` ` ` ` ` his contribution of his likeness and characature(sp?) to Spitting Images!!! I loved that show!
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Could you also justify RR’s backing of a genocidal government? From that I can only sadly conclude that you support the subversion of democracy and are not very concerned about genocide. |
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12-16-2002, 04:25 PM | #65 | |
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I guess anything which criticises reagan must be false then. All, Are Well known historical facts. RR's Support for Death Squads in guatamala: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ro...Guatemala.html http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/47/160.html Iran Contra Affair, RR's Lying to congress and the American people: http://www127.pair.com/critical/myth-07.htm http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/aae/side/irancon.html http://hallbiography.com/index.php/M.../299922/page/1 Quote:
I'd say your opinion of events is a sanataised and history denying gloss. RR supported Death Squads, He lied to congress and the American people. If you think that’s okay or support that fine, But Please Don't try to make out that those things never happened or that those actions make him a “great” man, Since usually Great people don’t support or commit evil actions by the common definition of the word. Quote:
You see, by that, you are attempting to dismiss them before even engaging them or encourageing others to do the same. Note also, that By saying Anti-Us you are trying to imply that I am agaist the People of the USA, I am ceratainly not, I am against Leaders who abuse their power, who support things that I consider moraly wrong, Like the murder of innocents or the subversion of democracy. If you consider those OK... Well, I can't do much about that. |
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You know this, Thus by knowingly voting for him, you would be supporting these things (since they were part of his policy and actions) should he run again.[/QUOTE]I would vote for him, alzhiemers and all, if he would sign the order to drop a 2000 pound satelite guided bomb directly on your house. Have a nice day. [/QUOTE]Your support for a man who supports Death squads and who subverts democracy saddens me. It seems So many people have little conscience or care for other humans nowadays. ( SOY. |
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No Dramnek, anything that criticizes Reagan does not have to be false. I never said the man was perfect, but I am entitled to my beliefs that he was a great president, just as you are entitled to think he is the anti-Christ if you’d like.
You listed lots of links and you are entitled to believe those if you chose, but your linked site's magazine articles and book excerpts that offer an alternative view(one of your site's descriptions of their offerings, not mine) aren't something I found truthful or compelling. I’m not really interested in the books and video tapes they’re selling and even less interested in the reviews, excerpts and discussions. Certainly you are entitled to enjoy them, but by the same token, I don’t have to believe it. Quote:
I think we can agree that I don’t have a very high regard for your opinion, and you don’t have a very high regard for mine, but the problem continues to be…. Quote:
You don’t discuss issues; you preach your philosophy and chastise anyone who dares to disagree with you. Suggesting that I can think death squads and a president lying to the American people is ok or even support it if I'd like, but that I can’t believe these things didn’t happen isn’t “marginalizing and dismissing opposing views? ”. Am I suppose to believe everything you tell me? Are you the final authority? You can find lots of links to anti-government sites, and I can find lots of links to pro-Reagan sites, but it doesn’t prove anything because neither of us will ever know these things for an absolute fact because neither of us will ever know his thoughts or be privy to actual evidence. We both have access to media sources, I’ll believe mine and you’ll believe yours. Quote:
No I don’t label anyone who disagrees with me in the manner above. You’re the only one who’s gotten that designation. You think my “ opinion of events has a sanitized and history denying gloss”, and yes, I think yours are completely anti-US, conspiracy laden ramblings. I’d say your “I’m right and everyone who believes differently is not only wrong, but stupid and immoral” does more to dismiss your ideas than anything I could say about them. So you’re not anti-US? [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] Just "anti" US government, it’s officials, and it's actions, but only anti-US citizens who actually find some good in government and don’t believe what you’re preaching? Quote:
[ 12-17-2002, 08:47 AM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]
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What gives you the right to judge anyone? LofA believes your opinion on Ronald Reagan is wrong. He has a different opinion, so what exactly gives you the right to judge his morals? Your perceptions of Ronald Reagan? You act as if you are some "all knowing, all seeing, wiseman" here to show the world it's wrongs. Seems "marginalizing and dismissive" to me. [ 12-16-2002, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]
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