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Cumulatively, over time, the Cold War was very costly, and we're still paying its price, today.[/QUOTE]Good post Fable, you're absolutely right. The cold war contained a whole lot of hot spots where small countries became proxy combatants for the superpowers. Not a good place to be... in addition both superpowers made some horrible decisions out of fear of the other. Those decisions resulted in real death an suffering... just not for us (for the most part). |
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This is a very interesting thread!, but there's a lot of simultaneous stuff getting thrown into the mix.
A bit ago someone was questioning our media, biased reporting... and used our support of Israel as an example (with the assumption that if we had all the info we'd be against it). I have palestinian friends so I find myself to be VERY well informed on the subject (whether I like it or not). Over the years I've waffled on the subject, but in the end (for me) it comes down to the use of terrorism to force political change. We can't allow such tactics to gain any validity in the world. It's interesting that the Palestinians have been fighting to gain their freedom using violence for over 50 years, with little to show for it. India was able to gain their freedom in what... 30 years? (perhaps someone could add more detail there)... And they did it by using peaceful means. The point is that the international community responds MUCH more strongly to peaceful resistance than to the terrorist tactics being employed by the Palestinians. I am totally unable to support the palestinian cause (which I believe is valid) while they continue to use terrorism. SO... in conclusion I agree with the US support of Israel, because otherwise the REGIONAL Hegemon (the Arab community) would surely have overrun them by now... and they would certainly NOT have been using economic sanctions to do it. In my opinion the US involvement has only been to level the playing field and give the Israeli's a chance against an antagonistic enemy. [ 04-24-2002, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Thoran ] |
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soon there will be no air left in it. there is just too much rivalry amongst them and no trust either. I just hate the idea that one day i would walk up to a frenchman and say to him: Hi fellow countryman[/QB][/QUOTE]Ho ho, well that aint never going to happen, is it. The French can't stand the rest of Europe. Most of them wish they'd never got involved in the EU in the first place. Enthusiastic they aint.
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Regarding China and India, sigh, Kyota is not letting them 'slide'. They are to be brought in on the second phase. The reason for that is that they are relatively newly industrialised in comparison with the West, and large segments of both countries are still not industrialised at all. Time is required. The West enjoyed centuries of regulation free emitting, and built up much wealth in the process. China and India are asking for a little time to get their act together. Emissions cutting is costly, and they don't have the same resources as we do.
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[/QUOTE]Lol Good responses but I think you were starting to bust a seam there at the end [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QB][/QUOTE] God you have a simplistic take on the Israel/Palestine thing. I've argued it ad infinitum on the war forum, when it was up, and I'm not going to start again now. But if you think the Israelis are totally blameless in this, then all I can say is you haven't been watching, reading or listening. And as far as Arafat/Sharon goes, there aren't two pins to choose between them. Neither want the other side to be there, neither side gives a ■■■■ about anything except staying in power. And Sharon is just as much a murderous bastard as any suicide bomber. I see everything I've heard about the one sided reporting in the US media is totally correct.
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Regarding China and India, sigh, Kyota is not letting them 'slide'. They are to be brought in on the second phase. The reason for that is that they are relatively newly industrialised in comparison with the West, and large segments of both countries are still not industrialised at all. Time is required. The West enjoyed centuries of regulation free emitting, and built up much wealth in the process. China and India are asking for a little time to get their act together. Emissions cutting is costly, and they don't have the same resources as we do.[/QUOTE]That is Population density, not population! The USA IS NOT LIGHTLY POPULATED compared to Europe. It has a lower Population density, less people and more of mother nature's furry critters than Europe. But what the heck we can reproduce and kill all the little furry creatures until we acheive that same population density if you like, I'll call my state congressman and get hunting season extended, Mind if I tell him you gave the OK? After all we need to have the same population density as Europe right? Well, cut your countrie's emissions of auto exhast per vehicle, to our level per vehicle first, then we can talk about what needs to be done next. SIGH***They are being let slide,**SIGH**, as you said yourself they are newly industrialized, they don't depend on industry like we do. Yet they are allowed to proportionally pollute at a Far higher level then anyone else. **SIGH** more primative industries = more pollution, higher level of industry you better nor pollute. Doesn't sound to me like the real concern is pollution , but rather envy that some people have the things that they do, and others don't. The old life isn't fair routine, well guess what, LIFE ISN"T FAIR. Who ever said it was!
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