Memnoch - about BG2 Expansion - possible spoiler...

[Charean]

Are we EVER going to find out what happened to Waukeen??? Some say she is dead, some say she is missing, but we never do find out in BG2. Do you know anything?

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Defender for the Light -
Goodness knows there is a lot of Dark out there!! - Where are my matches?
Wandering Joke of the Laughing Hyenas
Laughter can be a Mighty Weapon - when wielded with pizazz and accuracy! What Ho!!

[Memnoch]

Waukeen's situation was resolved in the AD&D module "For Duty and Deity" and would be one of those "behind the scenes" things that may be happening in TOB. I can give you a summary of what actually happened to Waukeen if you like.

Let me know.

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Memnoch - Custodian of the Order of the Holy Flame

[Kellin da Mage]

That a 2nd ed module? I might like to run though that one.

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by Kellin da Mage: That a 2nd ed module? I might like to run though that one.

Download it free from here.

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Memnoch - Custodian of the Order of the Holy Flame

[Charean]

Would it be too much trouble to send me a summary??

But if they address it in ToB, I don't want to know.

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Defender for the Light -
Goodness knows there is a lot of Dark out there!! - Where are my matches?
Wandering Joke of the Laughing Hyenas
Laughter can be a Mighty Weapon - when wielded with pizazz and accuracy! What Ho!!

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by Charean: Would it be too much trouble to send me a summary?? But if they address it in ToB, I don't want to know.

I don't think they will be addressing it. Here's an excerpt from the online AD&D module "For Duty and Deity". It only gives you the background, not what eventually happened, so you won't get spoiled reading it. The copy and paste got a bit funny when I tried to copy and paste from Adobe Acrobat but the info is all there.


For Duty & Deity involves the plight of Waukeen,
the goddess of trade, money, and wealth, and the
player characters™ attempt to rescue her. The full story of
how Waukeen came to be in her current predicament
goes back over a dozen years, to the time commonly
referred to as the Time of Troubles. The events of this
time, and those subsequent, are summarized below.
The Time of Troubles occurred in the summer and
fall of the year 1358 Dalereckoning (DR). During this
time, the overgod Ao discovered that one or more of the
Faerûnian gods had stolen the mystical Tablets of Fate.
As a punishment, Ao banished the gods from their
home planes, exiled them to the world of Toril, and
forced them to take mortal avatar forms until the Tablets
of Fate were found and returned. These events resulted
in the deaths of four gods and the ascension of two mor-
tals to take their places in the pantheon. Repercussions
of these events are still being felt over a decade later,
When the Tablets were returned and Ao allowed the
gods to regain their true forms and homes on the planes,
Waukeen did not return. Until the events of this adven-
tureŠwhich takes place late in the year 1370 DRŠno
one knew exactly what had happened to Waukeen.
Many mortals believed her dead. Their suspicions were
seemingly confirmed in 1365 DR, when a prophet of the
goddess Lliira appeared before each of Waukeen™s tem-
ples in turn. She pronounced that Lliira, the Goddess of
Joy and the Mistress of Revels, would hereafter answer
the prayers of and supply spells to the worshipers of
Waukeen. The priestess offered no information on
Waukeen™s disposition or possible death.

Like all the Faerûnian powers, the goddess Waukeen
had indeed been confined to an avatar form on Toril
during the Time of Troubles. Also like the other powers,
she wanted nothing more than to return to her realm on
the Outlands, the Marketplace Eternal. While wander-
ing Toril, Waukeen encountered the avatar of Lliira.
The two goddesses had been on good terms previously
and they saw no reason to change that arrangement;
indeed, they chose to continue their travels across
Faerûn together. Like many of the powers, Waukeen
knew of the Celestial Staircase (the Torilian name for
the Infinite Staircase) in Shadowdale and determined to
climb it. Torm, the god of guardians, confronted her and
barred her way. Waukeen attempted to bribe Torm with
his heart™s desire in order to let her and Lliira pass, butŠ
not surprisinglyŠshe failed to tempt the god of duty.
So, Waukeen and Lliira returned to Toril and made
their way to the forest of Cormanthor, where Waukeen
devised a plan. As the goddess of trade both legal and
illegal, Waukeen struck upon the notion of smuggling
herself off the Prime Material Plane. To enact this plan,
she used her vast array of contacts and her extensive
knowledge of smuggling routes used across the planes.
She intended to then bargain her way back to Outlands
and her base of power. Waukeen planned to journey
through the Lower Planes, thus most effectively avoid-
ing Ao™s possible detection of her movements and allow-
ing her to approach her realm indirectly.

Through convoluted means (and perhaps the assis-
tance of one or more mortal spellcasters who worshiped
one of the goddesses), Waukeen managed to contact
and contract Celestian, a power of long-distance and
interplanar travel from another crystal sphere. Celestian
owed Waukeen an unknown favor and he agreed to
repay this debt by removing Waukeen from the Prime
Material Plane. He refused to include Lliira in the bar-
gain, since he felt he was already taking sufficient risk in
simply transporting Waukeen from the Prime. However,
Celestian found this task impossible while Waukeen still
possessed her divinity. Ao had bound the gods to Toril
in their avatar forms and nothing could overcome that
restriction.

Left with no other recourse, Waukeen dared an
experiment. She believed that Ao™s restrictions prevent-
ed the gods™ incarnations from leaving Toril rather than
the individuals who carried that power. Waukeen there-
fore transferred all her divine abilities and powers to
Lliira, who promised to hold the power and portfolio of
Waukeen in regency until the two goddesses met again.
Left as nothing more now than an extremely potent and
vastly knowledgeable human being, Waukeen was able
to escape Ao™s restrictions, and with Celestian™s help,
found herself on the Astral Plane.

From there, Waukeen contacted the powerful and
wily Abyssal lord Graz™zt (a demon much interested in
wealth and knowledge or all kinds) and struck a deal.
Graz™zt guaranteed Waukeen safe passage through the
Abyss to the Outlands, for which Graz™zt would be
handsomely paid with knowledge of many secret trea-
sure caches throughout the planes. Even more impor-
tant to Graz™zt, Waukeen could supply him with infor-
mation vital to the Abyssal lord™s financial dealings in
the Abyss. Waukeen promised Graz™zt information on
which Abyssal lords were blackmailing or paying off
other lords, who was paying whom to fight (or to avoid
fighting) in the Blood War (the eternal battle of the
Lower Planes), and other such essential knowledge.
Graz™zt™s minions appeared to Waukeen on the Astral
and took the depowered goddess back to Graz™zt™s realm
in the Abyss, Azzagrat. Comprised of the 45th, 46th,
and 47th layers of that plane, Azzagrat is one of the
largest of all Abyssal realms. The fact that Graz™zt man-
ages to obtain and hold such a kingdom speaks to his
power and guile.

In Graz™zt™s Argent Palace in the city of Zelatar, the
Abyssal lord betrayed Waukeen. He informed the for-
mer goddess that she was to remain iehis guestls until
such time as they had successfully iurenegotiatedl. their
deal to allow Waukeen to pass safely through the Abyss
and beyond. Graz™zt holds Waukeen there to this day,
shuttling her between his Argent Palace and the vice-
ridden city of Samora.

Waukeen did once escape her captors™ clutches while
she was being escorted from Samora to the Argent
Palace. She managed to bribe one of her demonic
guards, saying that the rewards she could offer him if he
let her escape would put him far beyond the reach of
Graz™zt™s revenge. Convinced, he allowed the mortal
Waukeen to escape into the Viper Forest of Zrintor.
Waukeen planned to hide there until the search parties
had passed her by, and then make her way to the
Outlands, bargaining for assistance along the way as she
needed it.

However, one of the search parties found the former
goddess as she hid among the viper trees of Zrintor.
These demons would not accept her promises of riches
beyond all belief. They brought her back to the Argent
Palace, not out of loyalty but out of fear of their master,
Graz™zt. Unknown to Waukeen, the horrible fate of the
guard who had let her escape was still vividly and vis-
cerally fresh on the minds of those who found the for-
mer Golden Lady in Zrintor. Fear of Graz™zt outweight-
ed greed in the demons™ minds and doomed Waukeen™s
escape attempt to failure.

As this adventure opens, Waukeen is still a prisoner
of Graz™zt. The demon lord incessantly increases his
demands of wealth and knowledge as the price of her
freedom, but Waukeen knows that Graz™zt will never
willingly free her now. She endures the macabre parties
and festivals Graz™zt throws in honor of his iiguestls and
waits only for another chance to escape, while ponder-
ing exactly how best to make the demon lord pay for his
arrogance when she is once again free.



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Memnoch - Custodian of the Order of the Holy Flame

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[MILAMBER]

Very interesting. Question. I am at work, so I can't look up the names and I am shamed that I don't remember, but there were two gods that were able to go to different planes, if I am not mistaken in the Avatar trilogy. I think it was the god of decay that had his home on one of the lesser planes and went there to set traps for the girl with the mystras powers. If Ao bound them to the prime material plane, how was this possible?

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Tremble and despair, for I am power! All here are now judged, and are found wanting.

[Charean]

Thank you so much for the info!!

That illuminates a great deal of the backround - ya know... this quest could be a game in itself. The scope is there!

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Defender for the Light -
Goodness knows there is a lot of Dark out there!! - Where are my matches?
Wandering Joke of the Laughing Hyenas
Laughter can be a Mighty Weapon - when wielded with pizazz and accuracy! What Ho!!

[Larry_OHF]

Muchisimas gracias, carnal!!

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Larry, ??? of the OHF

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by MILAMBER: Very interesting. Question. I am at work, so I can't look up the names and I am shamed that I don't remember, but there were two gods that were able to go to different planes, if I am not mistaken in the Avatar trilogy. I think it was the god of decay that had his home on one of the lesser planes and went there to set traps for the girl with the mystras powers. If Ao bound them to the prime material plane, how was this possible?

I’m at work too, so I’m typing this on my email and I’m going to transfer it to the post afterwards – don’t want my secretary to catch me
You’re referring to Myrkul and the fact that the Tablet of Fate was in his realm in Hades, at the top of Bone Castle. If you recall, Myrkul never actually returned to Hades to follow Midnight. Midnight had to fight through all his denizens in Hades – but not Myrkul himself. She fought Myrkul at the top of Blackstaff Tower in Waterdeep.

The only god who was not restricted to the Prime was Helm, the God of Guardians whose task it was to prevent any god from returning – as Mystra found out.

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Memnoch - Custodian of the Order of the Holy Flame

[This message has been edited by Memnoch (edited 03-19-2001).]